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Sander Rossel24-Nov-21 0:45
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"What's upwork?"
"Not much, you?"
"Wait, what?"

On a serious note, don't know the website, but I've been looking for employees myself and I can't say my experience with recruiters or recruitment platforms has been a good one.
Especially since there's such a huge shortage and chances are you'll be left with "leftovers" (the sort of dev who doesn't have a CP account Poke tongue | ;-P ).
As a small shop, my main barriers are costs and language.

Regarding language, I'm Dutch and my clients are Dutch, so my code is Dutch.
I've tried doing it in English in the past, but my customers have plenty of jargon and Google Translate doesn't always get it right (I once ended up with manure country instead of fattening country because the Dutch word is the same for both Laugh | :laugh: ).
On top of that, it's always difficult when a customer calls and asks for X and I'll have to think of the translation and multiple devs used multiple translations...

And regarding costs, many recruiters ask for a fee that's months of salary for an employee or an hourly fee on top of a freelancer's fee that makes their hourly wage more than I can bill my (also often small) clients.
Doing anything for fixed price is pretty much impossible for such rates.
Also, don't underestimate the time and effort it costs to manage an external developer, especially when dealing with different languages and/or cultures.
And what do you want for support when the job is finished?
A freelancer is often unavailable and you'll either need to figure out the software yourself or find someone else and go through all the hassle again.

I'm interviewing two people this week who found me on a Dutch platform that doesn't bill me (yet) or developers (ever).
Hopefully one of them will want to work for a small shop and not get a better offer with much higher pay from a Sogeti, Atos Origin, Cap Gemini, etc... Because they're looking too and willing to hire pretty much anyone Sigh | :sigh:
The struggle of finding good developers these days is real.

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