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About a week ago I installed Win 11. I noticed some instability in the Edge browser and decided to go back to 10. Installed a Win 10 image and discovered I had a different problem: The desktop's BIOS took about 120 seconds to load! (As opposed to 15 seconds in the past.) Well, I had 5 different BIOS versions for my desktop from Dell and I tried them all: No difference! Al were painfully slow!
I tried going back to 11 and Presto! slow startup problem solved. I was still scratching my head when She reported her desktop (still running 10) was painfully slow. WTF is going on here? The only common denominator: The problem occurred after the last Win 10 update that happened this week.
Now I don't understand: How can a version of Windows affect the speed of the BIOS? And: Is MS trying to nudge us to switch to 11? I'm very perplexed. 
Anyway MS: You won! I am stuck with 11! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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It's not MS, it's your BIOS ... Here's a way to see again that slow BIOS load:
1. Remove the motherboard battery.
2. Short the board (short is slang for reset and the origin of it's use is recent ... more boards are skipping posts & jumpers ... and using > < solder points where a cold screwdriver blade can be used to bridge the gap between the leads).
3. Put the battery back in.
4. Powerup again.
That latency you said was so long should happen all over. You might even get screen posts with BIOS code that overlays the Windows 10 euroboros. Mine are visible in the lower right-hand corner of the monitor.
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RedDk wrote: 2. Short the board (short is slang for reset and the origin of it's use is recent ... more boards are skipping posts & jumpers ... and using > < solder points where a cold screwdriver blade can be used to bridge the gap between the leads)
I'm an old, broken-down software guy. Yet, the idea of using a screwdriver to do that gives me the creeping heebie-jeebies. 
Software Zen: delete this;
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Quote: using a screwdriver to do that gives me the creeping heebie-jeebies.
 too right.
There used to be a Fortune cookie program on the old Unix machines. I remember one saying "Beware of programmers carrying screwdrivers".
// TODO: Insert something here Top ten reasons why I'm lazy
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Noobs. 
Once upon a time you had to build your computer before you could program anything.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Age of Empires 1!
What kind of civilization? Babylonians?
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Texas. West Texas.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Nah, Red is correct. Just add step 0) Turn off the PC and unplug it from the wall.
The BIOS is battery backed up, but some motherboards have capacitors around them for redundancy. In the past, there was a Clear BIOS set of pins with a jumper hanging off one of the pins. To really clear the BIOS, you used the little jumper to connect the two pins for a moment. The screw driver or a paperclip will allow you to connect to the two solder joints in the same fashion sans pins.
Courage man! Courage.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
modified 19-Oct-21 8:11am.
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote: the idea of using a screwdriver to do that gives me the creeping heebie-jeebies
To me too. I have seen too many times, that screwdriver slips, touches something it shouldn't and paper weight.
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Ditto that. Also notice RedDk required a COLD screwdriver blade. Maybe a warm one would do something different
Thar's only two possibilities: Thar is life out there in the universe which is smarter than we are, or we're the most intelligent life in the universe. Either way, it's a mighty sobering thought. (Porkypine - via Walt Kelly)
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From your description, if the BIOS is fast with one OS and slow with another, it is not the BIOS.
If your computer is recent enough, it probably doesn't even has a BIOS but a UEFI. In a UEFI, to the extend of my knowledge, the OS has partial control over the boot process. The OS can install things in the UEFI, like low level drivers, before booting.
When you reinstalled Windows 10 did you reboot several times or was that the time of a single first boot? Any OS that supports boot speedup needs to boot more than once because the first boot is used for hardware detection and, hence, is slower. The second boot might be used to install low level drivers for the hardware detected in the first boot. The third boot should already be fast because every piece of hardware is already catalogued and its software installed.
Also, did you change the boot drive or completely erased it before reinstalling Windows 10? It might be that Windows 11 UEFI or the boot loader were detected by the Windows 10 install as being more recent and were not overridden. UEFI stuff is stored in a partition in your drive that is usually hidden.
I had this problem when trying Windows 8 and then reverting back to Windows 7. Even with only one Windows 8 install, which forces to have a Windows 8 boot loader as the main boot loader, booting any Windows 7 install was slower (I had multiboot with several Windows 7 installations on the same machine). It might be microsoft's dirty tactics to force people to upgrade by saying "See, your computer is much faster with the new Windows version". If you change the drive by a clean one, or wipe your current one, before installing Windows 10 is a sure way to ensure that the Windows 10 boot loader and UEFI part are installed.
If microsoft is indeed using said tactics and is sending updates of the boot loader to everyone that is using Windows 10, which would explain what "She" has, your ...(choose appropriate word to describe a bad situation)...
FYI: Windows 7 was my last interaction with microsoft. Never used any of their products again.
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ElectronProgrammer wrote: Windows 7 was my last interaction with microsoft. Never used any of their products again.
Got it. You haven't had first-hand experience with MS products since Windows 7.
Aside: How good does that religion look on your resume?
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Not a religion. I didn't like Windows 8 and my machine does not run Windows 10 (as I mentioned in other posts).
I do not have that in my Curriculum because it is irrelevant. My jobs are mostly in Research and I work mostly with hardware, with or without an embedded Linux based OS, so what OS I use for development is irrelevant as long as others can rebuild the project in their machines and works the same in the target hardware.
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Interesting! Thanks for sharing. My machine is just over a year old and is UEFI. By the way, when I change operating systems I use Macrium images, except for the very first time the OS is installed, then I do a clean install. I never upgrade an OS, like going Win 11 from 10.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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If your Macrium images are full disk, I do not know what else could be the problem.
If they are only of the Windows partition, your are probably not replacing the UEFI stuf I mentioned earlier.
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I always do full disk images (all partitions).
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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A little too special-interest for the newsletter, but it looked interesting: CadHub[^] Quote: Designs backed by reliable, easy-to-write code open a world of new workflows and collaboration. We're building a place where you can build that future.
Create your CAD object in code (JavaScript, Python, or C++-like), and presumably export to some usable format.
EDIT: fixed my spelling
TTFN - Kent
modified 18-Oct-21 14:03pm.
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... completely lame website ... none of the links are patent ... etc ...
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On the other hand... most websites don't result in a good 3D print.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I recently utilized tinkerCAD for some simple work I found it quite useful after giving up on FreeCAD
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Alibre Atom is also a good choice over FreeCAD, although it costs ~150 or a bit more for a perpetual license. FreeCAD worked, but Alibre was far closer to the ease of use of SolidWorks. Others have mentioned Fusion 360, but I refuse to pay a monthly fee that will soon surpass that $150.
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Fusion360 hobbyist license is free. You have to renew it every year and it's a chore to figure out how. Has all the features I need except the ability to print full size plans on anything other than 8.5x11 or A4.
For 3D printing it's fantastic. No full size plans required!
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While using OpenSCAD I do regularly think "hmm, maybe I should just write something spitting out the SCAD files from C# code so I can get decent syntax and libraries". Luckily I am too busy to start such a project.
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I'm happy to announce that the http module in Python 3.9 now includes the HTTP 418 "I'm a Teapot" code.
For those wondering what I'm talking about, see RFC 7168: The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol for Tea Efflux Appliances (HTCPCP-TEA)
Quote: 2.3.3. 418 I'm a Teapot
TEA-capable pots that are not provisioned to brew coffee may return
either a status code of 503, indicating temporary unavailability of
coffee, or a code of 418 as defined in the base HTCPCP specification
to denote a more permanent indication that the pot is a teapot.
Yeah, it's going to be one of those weeks.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: a status code of 503, indicating temporary unavailability of coffee
Don't even think those word together as a sentence! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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