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Eye(I) actually worked that out but didn't think it was a word - well done 
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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pkfox wrote: but didn't think it was a word
Yet you came up with "Eistedd"?  
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It's Welsh for "Sitting", normally met as part of "Eisteddfod" or "Be sitting", "Sitting Together" - a festival of poetry and music (among other things).
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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OriginalGriff wrote: Eisteddfod
Reminds me that I (Bard Bryn Newydd) was part of the school Eisteddfod some 67/68 years ago.
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First time I see that world! Wonder if there are more,  thanks for sharing thought!
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Only Microsoft could some up with an operating system that will only run on 50% of computers. My laptop specs:
- 64 GB Ram
- 4.5 TB of SSD
- Core i7-7700 CPU at 2.8 Ghz
Sorry, I can't run Windows 11. Apparently a 3 year old high end Intel CPU isn't good enough. Interestingly, it appears that only 8th generation and newer Intel CPUs will automatically update, but one will be able to manually install Windows 11 by downloading an iso file. wtf? What's funny is that I cannot find any reason the core i7s are not supported other than
Quote: Compatibility. Windows 11 is designed to be compatible with the apps you use. It has the fundamentals of >1GHz, 2-core processors, 4GB memory, and 64GB of storage, aligning with our minimum system requirements for Office and Microsoft Teams.
Nothing else can I find that says "i8+ processors added xyz feature and Windows 11 needs that." What's hilarious is that when MS announced this, users and the press pointed out that MS was still selling a Surface Pro that would no longer be supported. Shortly thereafter, in typical MS fashion, they went back and "added" support for this seventh generation processor, but only that one.
Solves my upgrade concerns, but seriously Microsoft, what are you going to do about all of the virtual machines out there? Oh, wait, download the ISO file. Only Microsoft would force a hardware solution on their users due to their crappy OS security.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: Only Microsoft could some up with an operating system that will only run on 50% of computers
Ya, no other companies do things like that. 
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lol, but at least Apple admits it via their controlled eco system. Microsoft is just blowing smoke.
For example, MS will allow you to install 11 manually, but they "won't guarantee trouble free operation". Like they do now?  
That made me laugh. I actually think that behind the scenes MS is desperately trying to shore up security.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: I actually think that behind the scenes MS is desperately trying to shore up security.
Are you suggesting that's a bad thing?
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Not at all. I think they need all the help they can get.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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TPM 2 is required, as is secure boot.
The latest tool tells you why your system doesn't meet the minimums: CHecker[^]
My desktop fails, my Surface passes.
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Technically, it almost does. It tells me that my processor is not supported, but doesn't say why. So 50/50
Charlie Gilley
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
modified 1-Oct-21 9:30am.
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It's so that at some theoretical point in the future they can drop support for older CPU drivers and tell anyone who whines "sorry but you were never officially supported, get :elephant;ed!".
The sad/stupid part is that all the people who ignored the warnings will still make a giant stink whenever MS does pull the plug anyway, helped by team "MS sucks on twitface and in the press"; but they'll still have to pay the support tax for maintaining all the obsolete driver models/etc until then. Deleting zillions of lines of legacy code from the W11 codebase would shrink installs sizes, maintenance costs, and hostile attack surfaces today. IF the reason they're not doing it now is to maintain similarity with the W10 codebase to share as many patches as possible; then say so and put the chopping block on the calendar for the major update after W10 is EOL in 4 years.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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All well said and good. But Microsoft brings this on themselves by flat out tossing people under the bus. Case in point - *their* 7th gen processor is supported, all the others aren't. As far as drivers, 95% of that belongs to the OEMs.
I won't even get started on their asinine reboot policies.... I've ranted on those before.
So, sorry, I'm not sympathetic. Yes people will complain about change, but there is no need to make it this painful. To MS' credit, they are providing a manual approach.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Can't disagree with your asement of how they're doing even though I think I understand what's behind it; MS seems to've reverted back to the old comic where their org chart was drawn as several armed camps all shooting at each other.
as far as this goes:
charlieg wrote: Case in point - *their* 7th gen processor is supported, all the others aren't. As far as drivers, 95% of that belongs to the OEMs.
drivers belonging to the OEMs is exactly the point. MS the the OEM for the Surface products. They can write new model drivers for it; other OEMs don't and won't give an ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) about old hardware if it requires more work than changing a BIOS default from off to on (eg soft TPM support) and publishing a new binary.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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Mmmm...
I would buy new hardware, IF (and a BIG IF) they would really drop all the legacy crap and come with a new well tested PC operating system, improving all the things they do know that don't work properly, leaving behind all that sh1t about the multiplatform and all the dummy things they have done lately.
Then... I would really buy new hardware, and I would do it happily.
But... as they are doing things lately... I say, screw you MS. I am not going to buy new hardware for you to use me as beta (or alpha, who knows) tester.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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That tool unfortunately does not work on domain-managed machines. Because if you're the one managing updates and want to test eligibility before rollout, well, screw you. Amazing.
Luca
The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance. -- Wing Commander IV
En Það Besta Sem Guð Hefur Skapað, Er Nýr Dagur.
(But the best thing God has created, is a New Day.)
-- Sigur Ròs - Viðrar vel til loftárása
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So Dell is probably saying: "is this a great world or what?"
>64
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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well I uncovered some additional information. MS wants processors that support VBS, HVCI and something called MBEC. I think the HVCI has something to do with the processor level firmware attacks that were widely publicized a couple of years back. When a fix was put in, there was a huge performance penalty, really pissing off cloud users.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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MBEC = Marvelously Bloated Energy Consumption 
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Intel added a set of instructions in their 11th generation processors that allow quick and easy virtualization of all applications. Windows 11 depends on these instructions being available. Windows 10's Core Isolation feature will use them if the processor has them, otherwise it implements them in software. Apparently the hardware implementation is enough faster than the software implementation that Microsoft decided to only support the hardware implementation in Windows 11, even though most people will never be able tell the impact. I run Core Isolation on my three year old XPS 13 and saw no performance difference with it on vs. with it not on.
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Was that so hard to say? I'm looking at you Microsoft. obermd, thank you for the info.
When I ran the Windows 11 test tool, it just told me that nope, not supported click here. So I clicked there, and all I got was a list of processors not supported but no explanation as to why.
learned something new.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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The cutoff is gen 8 Intel though (and as noted above MS made an exception for one of their surfaces using a gen7 chip).
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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I wasn't 100% certain when Intel added those instructions. I know they're in the Gen 11 chips. My XPS 13 is a Gen 8 chip, which may be why enabling the Core Isolation mode didn't impact system performance.
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I read, somewhere a while back, that they're loosening restrictions is you do a fresh install. It's only the upgrade that has those requirements.
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
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