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Rage wrote: has the industry gone crazy
Have you not noticed what other industries are doing right now? It's hardly limited to IT.
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Yes, very.
For a variety of reasons that would become political I don't think pricing on a range of things (not just computers) will ever return to the old normal.
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markrlondon wrote: I don't think pricing on a range of things (not just computers) will ever return to the old normal.
Prices on electronics have gone steadily down for the 40+ years I have been using computers. My first PC was a 25 MHz 386 with 40 Mbyte disk and a 1990 price tag of approx 20 KNOK. Correcting for inflation, that is about 3800 EUR.
OK, we have seen a bump the last year or so. Several new chip factories are currently under construction, and more are planned. When completed, they must first handle a huge backlog, but that won't take forever. Then we might be left with a huge over-capacity, leading to prices being slashed to way below today's (or yesterday's) level. I dare not make guesses about when the backlog has been wiped out; completing the factories will take a few years, and it will probably take another couple of years to handle the backlog.
Maybe my current PC will hold up until then 
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Not only PCs...
I have to buy new car, so when looking I saw some of them going up to almost 10% in a weekend.
Checking Friday: 80k, Checking Monday: 87k
Same car, same handler. I was like 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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i don't know how many lives were protected, but now additional 350 millions (of the top of my head) may die out of starvation, world wide.
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M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Also lots of people went smartphone for their Facebook needs, and lots of gamers went console.
There is no same need for general purpose computers like it was ten years ago.
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They are, for what I saw. I wanted to change a couple key components on my PC to keep it powerful, it's not worth it. I'd end up paying the same amount I paid to build it from scratch and the benchmark performances wouldn't increase by much.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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To get to some nitty details to see if what comparing from 5 years ago (2016) to today, Ill try to quickly mention some specs.
Storage, iv a feeling SSD ratinied pricing. so unlike HDD over 5 years. would be 1TB to 4TB. but SSD maybe 1TB to 2TB.
RAM - which did you get in 2016 - DDR3 was common, and DDR4 was new.
So if comparing with 2021 prices, is that DDR3 (2016) to DDR4 (2021) prices or if comparing to the currently new DDR5.
i5 - Intel is on the 11th generation of i5 cores. So can be an easily hidden and overlooked comparison. If the 2016 was a year old of purchase, might have been a bargain and generation they phasing out, versus now (yes with stock shortages) with an equally one year old 10th generation, or if comparing to a newer 11th generation.
likly comparing with the comparable intel chip might be tricky to match price as the numbers and when they released versus purchased requires a bit of digging through.
stable component comparison to look at:
2016 - ddr3, 1TB ssd, 6th gen intel i5 (6400 / 6500)
2021 - ddr4, 2tb ssd, 10th gen intel i5 (10400 / 10500)
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You are right, one should not compare bananas with apples.
DDR4 in my case, i5 of 6th generation, and 2T HDD.
Still, I do not think that a similar spec with an 11th generation i5 and 512Gb SDD (this is what I looked up) should cost double than what I wrote above.
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Just reminded myself of m2 ssd. but quick search the prices aren't that much different. I think the chips themselves are the same and just connector/housing is the big difference.
Apart from supply shortages, I do not know enough if the difference of motherboard with m2 slot could shift another 20$ on tag, but yeah not x2 price for similar aged kit.
Also if the i5 looking at has on board graphics,. i think they have had for some time, just another food for thought.
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inflation. and this time you can't change currency to protect your value, because every national currency is affected.
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I told him “It’s not how many times you fall down. It’s how many times you get back up!”
His response?
“Sir - That’s not the way field sobriety tests work.”
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Kevin "Bloody" Wilson: How many times must a man fall down,
Before you call him a cab?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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So we had our Pfizer booster shots today. What amazed me is that there were a number of younger folks in the pharmacy that were there for their very first Covid shots! Seems some folks are now getting nervous as the reports of Covid deaths just keep coming.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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As of Aug 7, according to WebMD, the predicated overall recover rate is 97-99.75%.
Coronavirus Recovery: Rate, Time, and Outlook[^]
The people who are mostly dying are the elderly and people with pre-existing underlying medical conditions.
Please don't join the media in trying to scare the entire world.
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It's the (young) unvaccinated people who get sick and then infect the old and vulnerable. Not getting vaccinated is an extremely selfish attitude to have. You can indirectly cause the death of a vulnerable person!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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You live your life in fear, and you want the world to be afraid just like you.
People like you are part of the problem with people not wanting to get vaccinated. Your constant, unrelenting soapbox preaching, its too much, and people just tune you out now.
Disagree with me all you want, I know I am correct.
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Just keep away from me ..
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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You'd better keep away anyway, because being vaccinated neither prevents you from getting it nor spreading it. Unlike vaccines for various diseases typically caught in childhood, these are of poor efficacy. With all the variants cropping up--soon we'll be out of Greek letters--it'll be like flu vaccines, which must be taken annually. In fact, biannually is often touted. Eventually you'll have to be injected in the butt, because your arm is going to look like a junkie's.
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Based on the commment, one would think that programmers would be more "logical" ... apparently not; just more venom.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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/ravi
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