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You imagine that the "issues" you describe are issues other people have.
They are your issues, and your lack of understanding of English may be a factor in your confusion.
Your "old furts" inference from one CP anonymized survey is absurd: out of 15+ million members, responses of the relatively few that respond may indicate only a weak trend, or nothing.
Stop complaining, and name-calling, and go where you are more comfortable.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Good response Bill.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Makes this site unwelcoming.
Maybe the OP has a point, as proven by Bill?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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We can be or not be whatever we are or not are...
But reading the whole thread below, he is not definitivelly better than what he claims that we are.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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wrote: Be respectfull also above all for beginners....!
Of course after 10...40 years programming a lot of questions looks very very simple, but please remember when you started....
And yes, all the homework
I actually like the homework questions. That is, if it is not on the last day, begging to simply hand over the answer, or having to choose for some university stud that is late to choose between the examples he found (for a test designed to verify if he could do a for-loop!)
If you want a career in this field you have to do the effort, especially with that amount of competition. And more importantly, if you skip understanding the answer and copy paste, imagine going to work, where it is assumed the knowledge of the curriculum is actually there. You could create expensive bugs. Imagine, if you will, that surgeons had SO site and skipped homework by copying answers 
As for knowing how to ask a question, one should learn that before starting to program. So, some background, expected output/results, actual output/results and the relevant part of the code where the exception occurs. Don't go to your boss and just say "there's something burning" - indicate where, what and if the fire-department should be called.
I'll make exceptions for kids ofcourse, one cannot expect them to have learned all of that yet, so one is more patient. Sometimes its homework, sometimes a hobby.
I do agree that my tone could be friendlier. Still working on that.
wrote: The only exception from my point of view is _Richard Deeming_ who seems to be the only one
There's a few of those, and there a small competition each year.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: There's a few of those, and there a small competition each year.
I'm lucky enough to have won the competition to be "Richard Deeming" for the past 44 years. Hoping to make it 45 in a row this year. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Hahaha Aight, I explained that wrong
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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In most(?) parts of the MS- ecosystem - stuff (e.g. Notepad) <crlf> is used to seperate lines for textual data.
To know what I mean, look at a textfile where lines are seperated by only <cr> with notepad...
Now in MS-Teams it looks like they changed their mind and followed the Unix standard and use only <cr>, try: Copy paste a text from MS-Teams and paste it to notepad.
... either way not really earth-shattering
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Don't you mean <LF> ?
Member 15353828 wrote: not really earth-shattering
Uh, yeah it is, to we who load data from files all day.
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For nitpickers like you, I mean <cr><lf>.
Btw. let me also be nitpicking... Your statement: "IDs should never be sortable. It must be a meaningless operation.", see your post The Lounge[^]
*lol*... Happy surviving with that. 'Not sortable' means also 'not able to make an index on it'. Think about it and why your DBs are that slow
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Member 15353828 wrote: 'Not sortable' means also 'not able to make an index on it'.
No, it does not.
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Ok, then please explain how to index a thing you can't enumerate. Please ...
modified 9-Oct-21 21:01pm.
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Who says you can't enumerate it? Of course you can enumerate it.
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Sorry, but enumerable means sortable... in case you say no to that, then I doubt your statements
[Edit] sorry, I'm not native English
but enumerable means implicitly also sortable, at least for me
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[Edit1]
But maybe because of my lack of English I misinterpreted your statement, mentioned above. In case that happens, sorry.
For me everyting is 'sortable' because we can introduce for everyting our 'sort rule'
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modified 9-Oct-21 21:01pm.
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Nope.
enumerable
ADJECTIVE
mathematics
able to be counted by one-to-one correspondence with the set of all positive integers.
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Rather than all the arguing, how about you explain your statement that ids should not be sortable.
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You have omitted the keyword meaningfully from the quote.
An ID is a substitute key. It should not have a meaning.
It's usually an incremented integer for practical reasons, which is sortable per definition but the order has no meaning, it could just as well be a GUID.
<edit>my bad, I see the quote has been edited
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"It's usually an incremented integer for practical reasons" ... which is also the badest thing for an index (usually implemented as somtehing like a binary tree) because each increment does need to reorganice the tree.
Anyway: Everything is sortable, either because we can do it on a binary representation or if not possible (what most probably will never be the case) one can introduce our self defined sorting.
modified 9-Oct-21 21:01pm.
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If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs.
Member 15353828 wrote: Everything is sortable
Nope.
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'If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs'
On this I think we come closer, more I think we are on the same line.
"Everything is sortable": Nope
Please give me an idea what is not sortable.
Minor: And sorry I have no idea about how to responde something 'quoted'. Thats why I put the quotes in italic. And also pay attention, I'm not native English therefore the chance of missunderstanding is always present 
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Crayons are enumerable, cows are enumerable, photographs are enumerable, grains of sand on a beach are enumerable, are they sortable?
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Sorry, only intersting on facts.
modified 9-Oct-21 21:01pm.
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These are facts. Not everything is sortable.
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Everything -any data you catch with a computer- ends in a stream of bits which is sortable. Please explain whehre I'm wrong in case I'm wrong, which is not the case....
modified 9-Oct-21 21:01pm.
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Yes, but that's not "everything" -- it's only representations of things and labels for things within a computer. It also meets the criteria of not being meaningfully sortable.
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