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jrgrobinson2-Sep-21 21:28

jrgrobinson

2-Sep-21 21:28

From a similar place, but in a distant past, I would strongly recommend you look at offloading some of the HR. 25 employees is a lot to manage in totality. Especially if you also have a technical role.

My take on HR is it not being about normal day-to-day. You don't need HR and actively shouldn't have HR between you and your fellow employees for normal life. HR is about compliance, which in some juristrictions is complex, and often bizarre. It is very much about giving you tools to manage when things go wrong. Like insurance. I don't plan to total the car but when the Tesla didn't see me at the lights, be good to have an insurance company to deal with Elon.

I think HR is really quite a difficult task. Building the processes that work for your organisation and giving you compliance and tools for when things break without becoming intrusive in employee relations. Employee relations is not HR's job.

In summary, I wouldn't recommend a 'young and personable HR graduate'. That could easily subsume you in the process and offload the important 'getting on with your employees' bit which you and personable HR graduates enjoy much more than the hard yards of compliance and process. I would strongly recommend looking for a competent outsource organisation which can help you with compliance and processes at arms length. I realise that may be hard to find as, at least in my distant past, the industry has its share of dudes with fins and teeth who will only talk to the 'decision maker'.

Good luck with the task.

David Carta3-Sep-21 5:17

3-Sep-21 5:17

I would strongly recommend looking for a competent outsource organisation which can help you with compliance and processes at arms length.

This is the part I wanted to get help with, so I don't have to deal with all the California regulation stuff. I'm sure we've missed some required training or posting in the office of business laws. But beyond the first post linking to the Inc. article, no one has yet had a suggestion of an external HR system they think does great work for them.

"Qulatiy is Job #1"

Snorri Kristjansson3-Sep-21 0:36

Snorri Kristjansson

3-Sep-21 0:36

What a terrible idea 😂 Have you talked about this with the devs? If I was working for you I would be looking for another job 🤯

David Carta3-Sep-21 5:24

3-Sep-21 5:24

I talk to my entire team (devs+sales+marketing+admin) before making any decision that will affect everyone! Smile | :)

My goal is really to find someone who will make sure we don't miss the compliance things we could eventually be tagged with, much less dealing with people.

"Qulatiy is Job #1"

Choroid3-Sep-21 7:26

Choroid

3-Sep-21 7:26

David I am not a developer nor have I worked in a Software Company
That said if your goal is to be compliant I would suggest your hire someone to review your current
company standards As a long time Pharmacist we were regulated by the State Board of Pharmacy who did
periodic inspections at the Retail Level it was not real serious but when I moved over to a Teaching
Hospital as a Director the review was a lot more rigorous Our HR did not understand anything about
the skills to work in a teaching environment let alone a Hospital If they had a Pharmacy License
that was all that was needed

Paying for a review could give you suggestions that would help in deciding on a outside company or
hiring a full or part time HR person

I have installed a couple of Hospital Systems and am amazed at how BIG Hospitals do not listen to
the talent they have When I suggested to one Hospital CEO they use a Pharmacist to manage the Pharmacy side of the system the IT people wanted my head in the end the CEO went with my recommendation
When I pointed out they lost half a million in billing over 6 months might have had something to do
with the acceptance of my recommendation

My BEST it is great that you reached out to the amazing talent that hangs out here

Whyteboar3-Sep-21 3:40

Whyteboar

3-Sep-21 3:40

This depends on what you are thinking an HR person or group will do for your company.
Is this the payroll department, keeping track of hours and salaries and vacation days and benefits?
Is this the person/team responsible for hiring new team members, or at least dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's filing the necessary paperwork?
Is this the person/team that handles disputes between staff members or handling discipline issues when somebody crosses a line?
Knowing precisely what you need will direct you accordingly; just keep in mind that always, always, HR exists to protect the company from its employees.

An ordinary average guy

David Carta3-Sep-21 5:32

I have to say I'm impressed.

3-Sep-21 5:32

Is this the payroll department, keeping track of hours and salaries and vacation days and benefits?

Not needed here. We have a "take what you need" vacation policy that people use appropriately. We cover all health/vision/dental insurance that falls in our plans. Being generous means we don't have to waste time and resources tracking this, which IMO saves us money in the end.

Is this the person/team responsible for hiring new team members, or at least dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's filing the necessary paperwork?

Hiring is done by me right now - and most of the paperwork is clearly documented so my admin can get it done quickly.

Is this the person/team that handles disputes between staff members or handling discipline issues when somebody crosses a line?

I'm fine handling most disputes, but discipline issues are a concern, especially in our current age of litigious retribution.

Knowing precisely what you need will direct you accordingly; just keep in mind that always, always, HR exists to protect the company from its employees.

A major item for me personally is that if an employee does fall off the rails (has happened a couple times in 16 years), it is helpful to have someone other than the BOSS to talk that employee through their issues and to come to a resolution is just not THE BOSS SAYS SO. Smile | :)

"Qulatiy is Job #1"

OriginalGriff1-Sep-21 10:56

OriginalGriff

1-Sep-21 10:56

I have a Huawei phone - a P30 Lite - and it's pretty damn good, especially for the price. But ... it's banned from Android updates, though it does have Google Play and all those apps.

But I just had a notification about "Petal Maps" which is the Huawei version of Google maps - so I tried it.

Good grief but it's quick! Much faster to plan a route, plans the route that I'd take (unlike Here WeGo and Google Maps which both recommend long, slower routes), it gives speed limit warnings (like Her WeGo but unlike Maps), it shows roadworks(unlike HereWeGo, but like Maps), and the display moves very smoothly.

I haven't tried it's actual voice instructions yet - I'll do that tomorrow - but so far it's looking like a prime contender to replace Here WeGo which I really like, but ... it's traffic isn't good.

It may report to Beijing every where I go (I dunno, but I'm sure somebody will tell me it does even if it doesn't), but do I care? Not a lot, no Laugh | :laugh:

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Mycroft Holmes1-Sep-21 12:26

Mycroft Holmes

1-Sep-21 12:26

Back in the day I paid for a lifetime subscription to a mapping/traffic service, Sigh | :sigh:

then Google maps exceeded their capabilities and was free and now you have found a better tool than maps (and all it does is monetize/politicize your movements) - progress.

As we have barely set foot outside the area in 2 years I see limited use for such an tool.

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Slacker0071-Sep-21 12:38

Slacker007

1-Sep-21 12:38

OriginalGriff wrote:
It may report to Beijing every where I go

OriginalGriff wrote:
but do I care? Not a lot

Interesting.

Daniel Pfeffer1-Sep-21 18:29

Daniel Pfeffer

1-Sep-21 18:29

OriginalGriff wrote:
It may report to Beijing every where I go ... , but do I care? Not a lot, no

You should really be more careful! If you happen to go to church or some such, they can probably accuse you of being a drug user. After all, isn't religion the opiate of the masses? Big Grin | :-D

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.

OriginalGriff1-Sep-21 20:01

OriginalGriff

1-Sep-21 20:01

Thank you! I shall be sure to avoid such establishments religiously. Big Grin | :-D

dandy722-Sep-21 3:34

dandy72

2-Sep-21 3:34

So what you're saying is that the Chinese are better at navigating around your neck of the woods than anyone else...

Thought of the Day

OriginalGriff1-Sep-21 4:55

OriginalGriff

1-Sep-21 4:55

Can a mime write LOL?

Matthew Dennis1-Sep-21 4:57

Matthew Dennis

1-Sep-21 4:57

Maybe not, but they could use TITB (Trapped in the Box)

"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

PIEBALDconsult1-Sep-21 5:15

PIEBALDconsult

1-Sep-21 5:15

That depends on his type.

W∴ Balboos, GHB1-Sep-21 6:12

W∴ Balboos, GHB

1-Sep-21 6:12

They seem to have nothing to say on the matter.

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DRHuff1-Sep-21 6:47

DRHuff

1-Sep-21 6:47

As long as they use Comic-sans-humour font.

If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.

Daniel Pfeffer1-Sep-21 9:10

Daniel Pfeffer

1-Sep-21 9:10

LEARN THE WORDS!

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.

CodeWomble1-Sep-21 12:53

CodeWomble

1-Sep-21 12:53

Would they raise their hands in the air and pretend to be drowning? Or is that not what they meme?

Clumpco2-Sep-21 1:06

Clumpco

2-Sep-21 1:06

So old that I did my first coding in octal via switches on a DEC PDP 8

David Carta3-Sep-21 5:31