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GeneralRe: About that Agile - Plan, Build, Run thingy. Pin
Maximilien9-Jun-21 4:07
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Kirk 1038982110-Jun-21 5:30
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The original concepts for Agile were based on one programming Language (I believe it was Java).
And I don't believe the DBA was EVER imagined to be interchangeable with programmers.
Neither was the team lead, or the customer representative.

I say this because you are correct, it is kind of insane, in todays technology stack, to expect anyone to know every piece of technology.

On the other hand, Agile is supposed to be "anti-fragile", meaning the steps to recompile and redeploy a system after any change MUST come along for the ride.

So, the natural tendencies of people is specialization. And we sometimes forget that at any given point, someone green should be able to come in, build the system, and test it without fear or favor.

That's the CONFIDENCE in the system that I believe Agile was solving (at least that's the core part of it we leveraged).

Now, when you bring in all of those "specialties", you are trying to run a very complex system in a lean manner. And if you are a HUGE company, then I would DOWNGRADE the rule to say "Anyone from X Development team (RPG), should be able to come in, and replace the previous X developer".

So, Everyone is REPLACEABLE, not not interchangeable. These could also be called Domain Experts, or Domain Developers in my book.

The Utopia your company seems to be aiming for has a cost to it. From my perspective it will either cost too much to maintain, or it will cost too much turnover to maintain, and yet another company will FAIL Agile, and Blame Agile for the failing.

Finally, I will remind you that the guys who created this were worried about MONOLITHIC systems that would become fragile over time because the knowledge that created them had left the building, and anyone new was fundamentally (or should have been), paralyzed by FEAR over compiling a system that had not been touched in DECADES, and needed the confidence to know that nothing was missed. So even a small change could introduce bugs. Hence the "Testing" (more like panic checking)... That's My Opinion, and I was an early adopter of MOST of their ideas.

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