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In Spain and Germany (and AFAIK another countries in the EU) one billion are 12 zeros
M.D.V. 
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17 zeros
111011100110101100101000000000
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Exactly one, as in 10^x. Or none with Ex.
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that's not a zero, it's a lowercase 'O'
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Browsing through the answers I still think 9 is the best solution.
Just a couple of Why:
1 - jives with scientific incrementation of values: every three orders of magnitude.
2 - much easier to say "billion" vs "thousand million", for example
This isn't about taking sides for national pride - it's about very consistent usage across multiple domains of information. I live in a Fahrenheit country but water boils at 100C to me (for example).
If you like these other forms, then why not remain consistent and write 1000,000000 instead of 1,000,000,000 (commas or dots as you prefer) ?
There are always alternatives and fans for them, nationalistic and otherwise, but the three-per-block is more sensible.
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Use __int64 and don't care.
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12 - it makes the most sense numerically and linguistically
...but I live in third world Texas, where such criteria is ungodly.
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Hex: 3B9ACA00
DEC: 1000000000
OCT: 7346545000
BIN: 00111011100110101100101000000000
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I say a parlement.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Reminds me of an old joke.
A certain US President was told that three Brazilian soldiers had died in a peacekeeping effort. He looked shocked, and after a while said "Remind me, how many is a Brazilian?"
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I'd say as many as you want. They don't contribute anything, so knock yerself out.
It's all the ones that add up to something.
I reckon a billion's got a thousand million of em.
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Is soy milk just regular milk introducing itself in Spanish?
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Leche me just think about that for a moment... 
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It curd be - a latte though needs to be put into finding out whey. There's a halav* a controversy brewing here.
* Hebrew for milk
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Wouldn't that be Yo soy leche?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Nooooooooooo! 
During my very long time in IT, I've hired lots of developers. And one thing I know for sure... is that a Computer Science degree, (or in fact any degree), is not what counts! More often than not, what I've found makes a good developer is:
* common sense
* being practical
* being creative
* being self-critical and striving to improve
* being open-minded and accepting of change
Yes, these are all character attributes. And, whilst some of them might be honed through education - give me the person who has them as baked-in, natural gifts, any day. If you tick most of the above boxes and have managed to 'see out' a Computer Science Degree, we can add 'persistence' to the list - which is another desirable attribute.
Did any of The Beatles have a degree? No. | Any modern-day musical great? No. | Vincent van Gough? No.
Not surprisingly, the guy who wrote the article in the below link, did study Computer Science. He's also a doughnut  , so please don't click on it and give him more hits than he deserves!
https://betterprogramming.pub/why-every-developer-should-learn-computer-science-theories-first-bb49781a3432[^]
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If he doesn't deserve clicks, why are you linking to it?
If teh idea is not to generate traffic, surely the best way is not to show a URL at all ... 
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Quote: I started programming with Visual Basic 6.0 when I was 13 years old.
I see the problem now 
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Upvote for "he's also a doughnut"
Also because I agree with you.
I will say this though. I took a time out - decades after being in the field - and taught myself a ton of advanced CS concepts (you may have seen my parser development here) to round out my skillset. I already knew basics, like linked lists, binary trees, and big O notation, if nothing else just so I could survive whiteboarding interviews.
I think I'm a better developer for it. Maybe the article would have been better if he had dropped the "first" bit.
Personally I think learning CS concepts first will just bore creative developers out of becoming developers.
Real programmers use butterflies
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honey the codewitch wrote: Personally I think learning CS concepts first will just bore creative developers out of becoming developers
This!
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The debate is as old as the hills. There are arguments on both sides.
Mircea
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All developers need to understand what's going on at the machine level so they understand concepts like pointers, heaps and memory allocation/deallocation. Too many younger developers don't understand these basic concepts and the resulting bloated execution environments show this.
A good computer science degree that drills these concepts into its graduates is well worth the time. Unfortunately too many computer science programs gloss over fundamental machine operating concepts.
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