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I have a new laptop and I decided to go ahead and try the built-in email client that is installed on Win10. -- Aside: Notice that I don't even know the name of this app? Microsoft isn't very good at naming stuff.
Anyways, I connected to my email server and email arrived in my inbox but there was no way to scroll through them.
Oh..........isn't that quaint? The scrollbar appears when you hover over that area. That's a ingenious idea.
It's so I have more space. But I have plenty of space so I search and learn how to make Scrollbars always appear. that's a nice waste of time.
So here is my big question. When would any user want to have to hover over the scrollbar so it can appear (thus the user is sitting and waiting for the scrollbar to appear)?
Oh, you say, on pad type of devices the screens are smaller so this enables the user to see 2 more characters than they would otherwise be able to see and then they can hover and see the scrollbar.
Except pads usually don't offer a hover-type of functionality do they? Well maybe Surface does since you use a mouse with it. But for most there would be no cursor (since a finger is used as the pointer) and no hover ability so it just doesn't make sense to me.
Although I feel your pain, this isn't something that's new or something that's specific for this app.
Windows 10 has this in the start menu, it's in pretty much every Windows 10 setting screen and some other apps as well I think.
And I think Windows 8 had this as well.
Not to mention pretty much every app on your phone.
My point is, great that you've been able to avoid it for the past 10 years or so, but you better get used to it
It's very simple: some idiot at MS had an idea and everybody went "looks good!" without actually trying to use it.
Then, because MS is really, really bad at admitting a mistake and undoing it they push on with stupidity in the name of "UWP Progress" ... because "touch screens don't need scroll bars" since you scroll by "flicking" the screen directly.
BTW: there is no "hover" on Surface either.
You can undo (some of) it though: Open Settings, and go to "Ease of Access ... Display" and turn off "Automatically hide scroll bars in Windows". Some - but not all - of them will no longer hide themselves away. But this being Microsoft and one finger not talking to any of the others, some of them still ignore it.
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I had a jar of expired jam like that once. Even found online a method of rectifying it's consistency ... but the outlay of funds to pay for the sugar and the pectin, on top of not actually believing that I would ultimately salvage the flavorful food substance by doing all that stirring and re-rendering under heat and then cooling again ... well, I did what Walt Fair does, on an apparently regular basis ... two hours ago[^]
and "fluxed it".
Hmm ... I posted something about it in the Lounge way back in time in October 2019 ... under a meaningful title "End of nightmare" and this line might help
" Windows - settings - ease of access - automatically hide scrollbars in Windows - OFF, ",
unless, of course, MSFT did remove this setting, who knows ...
I think it's a real pain but I somehow adapt to it, partly because as a developer there are always so many "shiny new things" that adapting goes with the territory.
However regarding these modern changes, where it really annoys me is for people like my 81 year old father who didn't realise that you could click on the top of a window and move it even if there was no bar at the top. It seems like for the past couple of years he has been moving windows by resizing them.
These changes make things a lot harder for the older, non-expert, users.
I get the impression that these sorts of UI changes are not really taking some of the less young users into account.
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