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You make valid points, and ones that are commonly known. While what you wrote can be made to work, there are some considerations.

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10 - Deep-six the daily scrum "stand ups". They are not needed, and only slow down work.

If the developers cannot be trained to communicate directly with each other and/or the the team lead in a timely manner, when necessary, then I agree with you. Teams that I led, I was able to get my team members to limit the time they spent trying to solve a problem, or if something was unclear, and contact a fellow developer or me directly, instead of holding the problem over for a stand up. What I found was that when my team had adopted the peer-to-peer communication model, stand ups were no longer providing a value, and the weekly meeting was almost always the only one needed. And because problems were resolved faster, we as a team could finish faster.


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11 - If you cannot get rid of the daily "stand ups", at least understand what they are. The phrase "stand up" does not refer to actually standing up

I have heard the reason you cited from a lot of scrum masters, as that was what they were taught. However, it is more like an excuse thought up to justify the standing, and it is true that standing people speak for shorter periods. The trouble with that is 1) that there is no reference to stand ups in the Agile Manifesto; 2) that sometimes good information can be lost because no one wants to stand that long; and, 3) at least in the US, requiring members to stand would very easily be a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) as standing is difficult for some people, and by allowing them to sit while others stand merely accents them as disabled persons, and would also likely be an ADA violation. I looked into the subject a few years ago, and the actual meaning of a "stand up" was as I stated - to stand up your work, not your body. When I did manage our team's standups, if someone took too long without cause, I gently reminded them to speed it up.

This discussion shows that it is not common nor standard to physically stand up, but it is not specifically prohibited. I can't remember the specific source, but it was about daily stand up meetings in a manufacturing context, where one's work was stood up for examination. That context made a lot of sense to me, and what I would seed when I worked in manufacturing.

Is standing up required during the Daily Scrum? | Scrum.org[^]

I agree that you can get it to work, and perhaps work better than other things you have tried. But consider that not standing, and expecting professional behavior from your staff, might even work better than what you do now.

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