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W Balboos, GHB23-Sep-20 2:32
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Actually, back when I was a federal employee, I not only experienced but learned to love it. I also so the down side, but not what you'd expect (per your post).

Conceptually, a request is made for some services (development, for example) with the criteria for each of several requirements that must be satisfied. This includes the bidders explanation as to how they will fulfill the criteria (their view) and how much the whole thing will cost. This then is given to a group of persons knowledgeable in the field to evaluate (a points system) the fulfillment proposals (no $ amounts given). Highest point value wins.

For a product already produced, then the lowest bid meeting the specs is the winner. There's also lists of certain vendors wherein no bidding is necessary (the GSA list).

Where does it really fail? Aside from cost-plus contracts (a super scam), I was on an evaluation committee and my vote did not agree with the other four evaluators as to the best option (the other's preferred HP - I saw a serious flaw). They next level up, the contracting officer, tried to pressure me to change my evaluation so it would be unanimous and thus couldn't be appealed (or far less likely, at least). I wouldn't. That was the last time I got to look at outside proposals (until a congressional inquiry from Sen John Glenn ended up in my hands - altogether another story.)
So that kind of nonsense can spoil the system.

On the other hand - "no bid contracts" are basic cronyism at its most blatant best. Like Halliburton when we charged headlong into Iraq. Just plain big money for the heavily oil-related company (VP Cheney was from the oil industry - coincidence). Case of Coca-Cola: $400.

Or go to the private sector:   where I work now. They hired a new Director in IT - and guess who's "buddies" are working on a major new contract? Worst of all, we've gone this route before. Brother-in-laws, etc. And we always get F***ed. They do have a solution, I'll bet, to get rid of in-house IT and thus no one will tell them how badly they got F***ed.

As it turns out, when you wave a lot of money around, someone will do their best to take it from you. At least monkeys work for peanuts.

Ravings en masse^
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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