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Older phones not likely to have 4G - and as 3G is phased out I would find myself in the situation I had with the LG 3G Flip Phone. Burning out the battery searching for towers and poor quality voice because the towers were few and the connection unstable.
Refurbs? I do buy refurb'ed technology - the PC I'm using now, connected by HDMI to a TV is VM'ing into work where I RDT to my desktop. No point in buying new and amazing when it's mostly just a connection point (and also a place to play Dungeon Crawl).
But the real problem is privacy - at least if I have a chance to opt-out and/or remove/disable applications I can work on it and so live with it. Chinese brands are, unless proven otherwise, infested with spyware.
At least, to make things somewhat easier, I have no device requirements for the phone beyond privacy and reliable/audible conversations. When I take pictures I (amazingly enough) use a camera. I don't keep my ears plugged as I go through life - hearing and seeing the world live and first person
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W∴ Balboos wrote: the real problem is privacy
In that case, don't get any type of phone.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
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So root it[^], delete the cr@pware, then unroot it, if desired.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: It also installs un-asked-for applications
And you think only the Chinese do this, my samsung has 52+ (I haven't counted recently) applications it "updates" when I let it. I use probably 10 and have installed only 5 of those. The wife (who does not know what Play Store is) has samsung that dings at her all the time for some unknown reason.
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Well, then, my wife's LG hasn't done any of this. Maybe I've just discovered brand loyalty.
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At the risk of getting flogged here, have you seen/considered the new Samsung Z flip? No, I am not affiliated, I am just waiting t get my hans on the S20+ for the Time of Flight camera.
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I feel it's a waste to spend $100 on a phone - the phone I'm replacing is an LG450.
I use the damn thing as a telephone - only. Voice and voice mail, period.
And - at a risk of becoming a rant - anyone who'd spend in the neighborhood of $1000 for a phone is ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing nuts . . . and nuts is so damn polite compared to the place on their own anatomy I believe they use for a ski-mask.
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I'm using a ZTE Cymbal-T. Android 5.1, flips, is under 100$ USD.
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So far, it seems like it's a "TracPhone" only device.
I'm considering going into the prepaid world - but not quite yet.
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The question on the floor is: Would (will) you trust your life to a self-driving car?
My own answer: "NO!". I will post my reasoning later.
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I really want to say no - but the quality of driving I see as the next generation gets behind the wheel makes me think:
"I would trust it to by mandatory for these new drivers" - since they're way too dumb and self-involved to share the road with others - and they drive that way (it is their road, isn't it?).
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I'll just agree, if I say any more I'll get started and there's probably a limit on the length of a post.
I'll just say; without their phones they wouldn't/couldn't survive!
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A lot of us would be very interested in the rant...
My plan is to live forever ... so far so good
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Good point! Driver's Ed doesn't teach driving. I'm not sure what it teaches, but it sure doesn't teach driving--unless you live in a Nordic country like Belgium or Norway--there, they are required to teach such things as control skids, power slides, etc., because of icy roads.
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rjmoses wrote: Good point! Driver's Ed doesn't teach driving.
You're assuming they're taking driver's ed.
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Go to QA.
Read a couple of hundred questions.
Self driving cars? You'll never use a bank, airplane, or mobile phone again ... 
TBH: compared to the quality of driving you get from trained, licenced, apparently legal drivers I suspect that a self driving car that drove itself into a tree one trip out of a thousand would be preferable company on the roads. It won't get drunk. It won't read the paper, text its mates, perform sex acts, disappear to have a rummage in the glove box, or just have such an intense chat with a passenger that eye contact is essential for minutes at a time. It won't let itself out on the road if it has a serious car defect, or if it's been disqualified, isn't insured, or - possibly - even stolen.
It won't drive the wrong way into traffic to get away from the police, it won't deliberate drive though pedestrian areas, it won't drive 10cm from your rear bumper because it's in a hurry - if it does, it's talking to the car in front and savign road space and energy.
Persuade me that all human drivers are better than that, before you try to prevent self driving cars ...
In a generation, manual driving will probably be frowned upon like drunk driving is today, and will almost certainly be illegal.
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My wife and I had a discussion this morning about driver's high on pot in Illinois since it is legal here now.
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It's illegal here, and they now have a roadside test for Coke and Pot. If you fail, it's down the station for a blood test to see if you are over the limit.
Yes: the UK has a "Legal limit" for illegal drugs ... 
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Agree it's a generational thing, and will become widely adopted over time. Happens through a combination of better self-driving vehicles and acceptance by society that's (now) used to it. Remember how people used to value their private information? But, you grow up in a society where that's not valued, you don't know any different.
In terms of whether I'd trust it, depends. I believe in the power of technology to overcome complex problems--eventually. Agree also that it can become better than most drivers today (myself included of course--though I'm an excellent driver [Dustin Hoffman voice]  )
The first many iterations, I'd want an attentive attendant ready to take over to (hopefully) avoid any more of the problems we've seen. I don't have a feel for how many real-world iterations we'd need until we could say, "yeah, this is safe enough and ready for production."
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Eventually I will.
They will suss them out I am sure, and even if accidents do occur it will still be a lot less then the current idiots on the roads cause.
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Might be. As a matter of fact, I trust more the self-driving metro than the human driven one.
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Would you trust a self-signed certificate?
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Given the sort of questions and sample code I see in QA, then no way.
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Well, if you don't send them the codez they ask for, it's really your own fault! 
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