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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: The point is that negative "interest" can happen just when you need to withdraw the money
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: But then, I think you understand that
No, I don't understand why you guys are focusing on a single moment in time. Even if it tanks right before you have to withdraw, if you've had your money in for a long time you've still probably gotten a 12-15% return.
Like I said, Magellan, through all the ups and down, has AVERAGED nearly 16%.
You could also argue that it could go up 45% right before you have to withdraw. So? Why are you talking about single point in times?
I suppose you 2 are right, forget investing. It aint worth it because of what might happen at a given second. 
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Just stop calling it interest. It's not. It's average gains. That's the point.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Just stop calling it interest.
I mentioned interest in one single place, the OP. 
And it IS the correct term. In fact in Excel if you use the PMT function to figure out how to get $1,000,000.00 the rate is defined as "The interest rate per period."
So the 2 of you need to get over yourselves and stop arguing a point that doesn't even exist trying to make it look like you're a smarter than average pedantic.
Geez!!!
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Go get a clue.
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I provided you with factual evidence and even the definition of the word and you provided me with holier than thou juvenile responses. That’s more than enough clue to see what’s going on.
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ZurdoDev wrote: 10% interest
10% !! Where do I subscribe ? Better you can get here is 3.5%.
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Rage wrote: 10% !! Where do I subscribe ? Better you can get here is 3.5%.
Really? Maybe it's just a US thing but there are lots of Index Funds on the stock exchange that have averaged 12-15%+ for 10+ years. The Magellan Fund, for example, at Fidelity has a 15.87% life return and it was opened in 1963.
Not sure if you can get to this link, FMAGX - Fidelity ® Magellan ® Fund | Fidelity Investments[^]
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The gentlemen seems to have confused "unrealized capital gains" and "interest".
Pretty much, assuming a fund to spread the risk, corporate bonds will give you 5%-6% and municipal bond funds may reach 3% with substantial tax exemptions.
I have money in (NY State) municipal bond funds and they're returning just over 3%, and if I remain living in NY State, that's 100% tax free. Once a year they do have a distribution of capital gains - but that's sort of extra (and taxable). However, the value of the funds fluctuates - mostly I've been behind but have caught up with the initial investment (2x, actually). It doesn't matter unless I sell them, but, since the money's there to return the bond interest I don't have any plans to sell them. Meanwhile, I've gotten a pretty nice pile of interest over the years.
10%? That's the long-term increase in something like the S&P 500 - but stocks go down, too.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: The gentlemen seems to have confused "unrealized capital gains" and "interest".
Interesting that you refused to answer my question. 
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Some people can't take a hint. Kinda moronic, if you ask me.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Some people can't take a hint. Kinda moronic, if you ask me.
Most of the time on the internet when an arrogant person misunderstands something from the OP they respond with assertions that the OP is wrong and "just because" without any explanation or backing it up with evidence. How refreshing that you and baboos were so humble as to explain how I was wrong so that you could set me straight and backed it up with verifiable evidence. It's the only way morons like me can learn. How refreshing you and baboos are not trolls, but genuine adults trying to have a meaningful and uplifting conversation. Thank you so much for this opportunity to learn from 2 such wise people.
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Now as I observer, all I said was you have confused interest and capital gains. In very simple and straight forward terms I did, indeed, explain how your were wrong.
From my point of view it would be easy to consider your reply as blanket-arrogance to my disagreement and perhaps the troll you seek may be seen in your mirror.
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Fair enough. Now elaborate on how I confused interest with capital gains please.Because I didn’t. But I would love to hear why you think so.
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No you wouldn't. You're not very humble, nor teachable and all the evidence I've seen is you simply want to argue and "prove" you are right and the other guy wrong.
See ya.
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You don't know the first thing about me.
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From the recent set of emails you've sent I have to disagree and say he seems to know quite a bit about you.
For example . . . nah, just a wast of time.
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So, you still aren't going to explain why you think I am wrong?
So typical. You misunderstand something and then blame the other person. 
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I know how you act here. And your actions here match what I said.
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Pull out your cell phone and Google them !
Capital Gains vs. Interest
The difference is considerable (in investment terms) and doesn't require the brilliance of a Rocket Surgeon to grasp.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: The difference is considerable (in investment terms) and doesn't require the brilliance of a Rocket Surgeon to grasp.
You are still thinking I said something I didn't.
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Maybe you don't realize you don't know what you're talking about.
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Roth IRAs didn't come into existence until 1997. By then I was 41.
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#realJSOP wrote: Roth IRAs didn't come into existence until 1997. By then I was 41.
Roth IRA isn't really the point, I guess that was not clear on my part. The Roth part just means tax free growth, but you can get the same rate in a regular IRA.
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Actually, 41 is 4 + 1 = 5. So, you were 5 when it came into existence. Just saying. 
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that's hexidecimal, so he was 4 * 16 + 1 or 65 when it came into existence. 
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