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Pah.. forget Android man!
The future in Mandroid! 
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'4. Containertainers, it's so 2019!
I think Contertainers are much better! 
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Intratainers?
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Compress your containers into a concertainer.
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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Dean Roddey wrote: 4. Containertainers. Managing all of your containers and their options is now becoming a serious challenge to many companies. Containertainers are containers for your containers and their configuration operations, simplifying your container deployment and management process. Work is already under way on Containertainertainer technology, in anticipation of projected containertainer deployment growth.
I'd call these 'shelves' and 'paint pots'
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Absoultely let's do things the modern way, where we have 10 layers of boilerplate to write/use before we can do anything:
View
Controller
Interface for the controller
Orchestrator
Interface for the orchestrator
Repository
Interface for the repository
Model
Interface for database access
Client for database access
I feel sorry for the young'uns nowadays having to learn this mess.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Ah, the onion... lots of layers and tears!
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I'm trying to complete the "order" to receive my money for the Slack competition, and I keep getting
"We're experiencing technical difficulties
We're sorry for the inconvenience."
For days now.
Latest Article - Azure Function - Compute Pi Stress Test
Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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slack: adj.loose, baggy; inactive
Maybe they still wanna win?
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I can lend you a fiver, if you're short.
i.e. if you're tall enough to go on all the rides, forget it!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I think it is, for the most part. His whining about compile times is understandable because most people don't seem to know how to write header files with that in mind. PIMPL being not used enough is another cause.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Sure, I can't use either 
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Modern C++ is very complex and the bulk of people who use it probably don't understand half of the details.
It's vastly over-templated. It's not really possible to keep build times low when you have enormous amounts of templated code in a large code base because all that code is inlined.
A lot of folks in the 'modern' camp seem to have convinced themselves that inheritance is evil, and will jump through fairly ridiculous hoops not to use it, using horrendously ugly stuff like the standard variant stuff and basically doing what OO was invented to avoid (lots of switch statements everywhere, and standard variant is just a particularly ugly switch statement.)
A huge amount of effort was spent creating a seriously over-engineered container system, while leaving fundamental stuff not dealt with, and leaving C++ in a situation where even now you can't write even a modest practical application without third party libraries.
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Well.. C++ multiple inheritance is always full of surprise, isn't it?! 
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Dean Roddey wrote: you can't write even a modest practical application without third party libraries.
I respectfully disagree. I've written several useful utilities using "pure" C++ (and the standard library.) Adding third party libraries make it even more rich, as it does with every language, including Python.
I'm now working on a server which uses asio, rapidJson, OpenSSL and LZ4 and SQLite. However, the majority of the code is "straight" C++.
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I'm not sure I'd consider a utility to be a practical end user type application. Anyhoo, it's at a significant disadvantage relative to languages like C# or Java that have far more built in functionality. And it's far less likely that your experience working on project A will apply to project B when you move to another company.
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Dean Roddey wrote: And it's far less likely that your experience working on project A will apply to project B when you move to another company.
Quite to the contrary. My C++ experience has transferred extremely well through the recent years and multiple contracts/short term jobs. In my most recent project, I easily cut months (no exaggeration) off the development time because of this.
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Dean Roddey wrote: I'm not sure I'd consider a utility to be a practical end user type application.
I'll let my users know
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Dean Roddey wrote: while leaving fundamental stuff not dealt with
Like what?
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Language-wise decent enumerations would be a big one IMO. Otherwise, a vast swath of functionality that things like C# has built in that are important to most practical applications. Sockets, text transcoding, loadable resources, XML, JSON, HTTP, MVC, graphic file formats, image manipulation, a good streaming system, RPC of some number of types, and on and on.
Look, don't get me wrong, I probably have 10 times the vested interest in C++ than all of you put together. But as it stands right now, it's got problems.
I know what it's like to work in a C++ system with all those things and much, much more since I've created one. That's what C++ should be like by now.
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Dean Roddey wrote: a vast swath of functionality that things like C# has built in
were written in C++.
What's your point?
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Well, part of my point is that your point would be a lot more interesting if you could USE that code in C++, which you can't, so it's sort of a moot point.
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Do you want to use .Net in Assembly too?
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Well, I take your point - reuse is good. Having a complete library is good.
But we are primitive monkeys. We compete with OS's. We compete with API's. We compete with whatever's on the browsers' default.
I don't want a language that does everything.
I want a language that can do everything.
When you come up with something better than C++ lemme know.
Cheers
T
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