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Nah ... the leader died in 2012, and there was internal fighting about who took over as the son of gawd.
But it was never a "big church" or even a "big cult" even at its height - 30,000 across the US is less than TV evangelists manage after molesting choir boys and pilfering the offerings tray - it was "hyped" by the media is all I suspect.
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I think they hyped themselves too, wasn't it them that married 1000 couples in one ceremony - caused a huge shortage in casserole dishes and toasters at the department stores.
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A cult can only be reported on as being a cult until it's big enough to sue you. After that point, it's a bone fide religion.
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For them, "big enough" is in terms of money, not membership. The number of members is a minor detail as long as the money is there.
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They discovered - using probes of different kinds - that there was no intelligent life to be found here on Earth.
They will probably be back once cats take over as the dominant species... At least this one[^] will...
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Johnny J. wrote: They discovered - using probes of different kinds - that there was no intelligent life to be found here on Earth
Ouch! Given where those aliens stuck those probes perhaps they're really not that much smarter.
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Well, I dunno. I know a lot of people who seem tho have their heads up their collective asse(t)s. So it could be that the aliens thought they were looking in the right place... 
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Certainly, most Earth leaders and managers talk out their asses as well, so ...
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You're right. I can't Trump that one! 
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I guess VB/Basic should have become the popular scripting language & not python, if it was envisioned correctly.
The makers of VB had an average vision. I think, they focused much on the visual part. That's okay.
May be the VB*S* should have branched out and gone out to do a lot more things than sticking just with Office automation stuff.
The makers & supporters of python had better vision, now the snake rules the planet.
May be I'm wrong, python might have had its unique strength, from the very beginning.
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Nand32 wrote: I guess VB/Basic should have become the popular scripting language & not python, if it was envisioned correctly.
Visual Basic existed before the internet became into view, and python only existed on some freak Linux box.
Nand32 wrote: The makers of VB had an average vision. I think, they focused much on the visual part. That's okay.
"Vision" is marketing-bullshit. VB catered to a lots of hobby-devs, and was used to create a LOT of desktop-applications.
Nand32 wrote: May be the VB*S* should have branched out and gone out to do a lot more things than sticking just with Office automation stuff.
It has. .NET connects everything from Office and your Exchange server to your Database and Azure 
Nand32 wrote: The makers & supporters of python had better vision, now the snake rules the planet.
Due to no free version of VB being available and piracy going down. Python was available for free and could be used without having to create a rich GUI. It was not vision, it was luck.
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VB is not a scripting language. VBScript is, and the similarity between the two is approximately the same as comparing Java with JavaScript. 
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VB lived on as VBA which is a scripting language.
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VB and VBA is not the same even though they have common roots.
And VB didn't "live on" as VBA.
VB still exists in more or less the same form as for 20 years ago, whereas VBA is more or less dead.
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VB still exists but VBA is dead? Are you serious? Nobody uses VB any more but we still use VBA in Office. Yes, even today, right now.
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VB is a the name of a series of products, sharing a common syntax. VB (like in VB4 and 6) does not "live on" as VBA; VBA already existed. There was also eVB, for embedded programming and VBScript for scripting/automation.
All of those are being replaced with a .NET environment.
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VB and VBA pretty much only differ in terms of their host environment and when I said it lives on as VBA I meant that we still use VBA today but we no longer use VB.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: VB and VBA pretty much only differ in terms of their host environment
You mean you find the syntax very similar.
F-ES Sitecore wrote: we still use VBA today but we no longer use VB.
"We" does not include "us" then. First of all you'll only find VBA today in products that are past their support-date. Second, I know a few companies here that still rely on a VB6-compiler.
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Yeah, you're right. Every single copy of Word, Excel, PowerPoint etc in use today still uses VBA, millions of apps, but there are a few companies who still use VB to support legacy apps so me saying we still use VBA but we don't use VB is clearly wrong. The fact that one person in the world still uses one technology means we should never generlise or simplify and never declare that something isn't in use because people aren't intelligent enough to realise it is a generalisation and that you're not actually claiming that no-one in the whole world uses it ever. Some people might think someone who claims that really does understand what is being said but is simply nit-picking in order to create an argument on the internet when no argument actually exists.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: Nobody uses VB
Sorry, but many of us supporting live environments have tens of thousands of lines of legacy code written in VB. Even though the shop that I am in is now (officially) a C# environment, the legacy means that most of my work is still in VB. I expect that that is true of many CPers in many locations.
Python is this week's Perl / PHP - OK for writing pretty pages on a browser; but will be supplanted by some newer flavour-of-the-week language. Meanwhile, VB / Java etc will still be running most closed environments.
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jsc42 wrote: Sorry, but many of us supporting live environments have tens of thousands of lines of legacy code written in VB
I think it's fairly obvious I meant for new developments.
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And for a new development, you'd use VBA?
This reminds me of a movie I saw once, so 'scuse me for asking Demolition Man, but have you been frozen in ice for 20 years and recently thawed up for a development project that needed old time expertise?
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Johnny J. wrote: And for a new development, you'd use VBA?
VBA is for scripting, not for building new apps. To answer your question though, if I was building something that scripted Office like advanced processing in Word, or custom calculations in Excel, then yes I would use VBA. In fact if you've ever recorded a macro in Office you're using VBA. VBA is still used today, yes, that's why I said we still use VBA but not VB because that is a factually correct statement.
I feel like I've been taking crazy pills.
Edit: before anyone mentions, the fact that you can also automate Office via COM in standalone apps doesn't invalidate anything I've said in this post. Especially the part about the crazy pills.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: VBA is still used today, yes, that's why I said we still use VBA but not VB because that is a factually correct statement.
You're being inconsistent in your arguments. When we discuss VB, you say that you're talking about new developments, when we're talking about VBA, suddenly that's no longer the case.
However: VB as in "real" Visual Basic used for application development is still very much being used - even in new development projects. The fact you you claim it isn't doesn't make it any less true.
As for VBA: Yes, I'm sure that there is still people out there who still uses it, because they have old spread sheets or whatever with custom calculations and they are too stubborn or lazy or ignorant to upgrade their ancient solutions to 2019 equivalents.
As for your claim that you'd use if for building new scriptings in Word or Excel TODAY, I'd say that you'd be doing yourself and everybody a huge bear service. VBA may still exist in Office, but Microsoft is trying actively to dissuade the use of it.
Personally, I haven't used VBA for ANYTHING in more than 15 years, but as by a mere coincidence, this very morning I had an Excel task for which I thought it could be an idea to use VBA to solve it. What are the chances of such a coincidence? I don't know, but I feel like I must buy myself a lottery ticket on the way home.
So what happened? I coded a short code snippet for my task, and tried to save the file. BANG! First problem: You cannot save documents containing code in the "new" file format (xlsx, and I use "new" in the widest sence of the meaning since it's been around for 12 years now). So by simply using VBA, you're forced to save your document in a 12+ year old format?!?!? 
I had to do it the ancient way like our ancestors and save it in the old xls format. And BANG! comes problem number two: Every time I have to open or save or actually do anything with this file, I get a Microsoft message saying that it contains contents that can cause incompatibilities or loss of data or whatever it says - because of the old file format!
At that time, I gave up and reverted to the newer version of the document WITHOUT any VBA customizations and I solved the problem in another way.
Hence my claim that VBA is dead, becuase even though it still exists, it's virtually unusable.
I also feel that you've taken crazy pills, and I can't really understand how anybody can be SO completely out of touch with reality??? 
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