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Nice and well, until you sit in the middle of several levels of conditions, something goes wrong and you want to get out of there. What then? Awkward nested if/else blocks? Or do we just make use of the good old GOTO to hop to your single return at the end? I do exactly that often enough in assembly programs, just because I need a single return as a point where I clean up the stack frame before actually returning. I don't really see the point if it's only a matter of principle.
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CodeWraith wrote: something goes wrong and you want to get out of there
That's when you throw an exception.
CodeWraith wrote: Awkward nested if/else blocks?
Maybe breaking things into functions would be better.
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ZurdoDev wrote: That's when you throw an exception.
In what way is that better than an early return if your goal is to have a single return point? And catching it yourself at the end of your function does not justify the overhead of throwing an exception. The dreaded GOTO would then be cheaper and no more or less problematic.
ZurdoDev wrote: Maybe breaking things into functions would be better.
Unless you can't afford to bog down the processor with too much overhead of packing parameters onto the stack or cleaning it up afterwards. On a strong processor that's no big deal anymore, but often enough I sit there with a C compiler and a small microcontroller clocked < 10 MHz. Usually some output pins need to be pulled up or down according to a certain timing, leaving me only a few machine instructions on the microcontroller within that timeframe. In that case I may have to resort to inline assembly and can't afford any function calls.
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CodeWraith wrote: inline assembly and can't afford any function calls.
Different rules apply to assembly vs. OOP.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Different rules apply to assembly vs. OOP
Actually it's C code with some inline assembly, if needed. Good C code quickly borders on object orientation, just think of structs containing function pointers plus some preprocessor magic to call the 'constructors' and 'destructors'. That's essentially the way C evolved to C++.
You are right, but the rules don't change by what paradigm you choose. It's more like the processor dictating which paradigm you can afford. I still have my first computer, which I built almost 41 years ago. It has a hex keyboard and I still write machine code programs for it. You would not believe how much neatly calling functions bogs down the old processor or how quickly the code to pass parameters to the functions via the stack can eat up the tiny 4k RAM. Old programs are usually a single chunk of spaghetti code, only maintainable because they can't be very large, but they shurely make more out of these limited resources.
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CodeWraith wrote: Nice and well, until you sit in the middle of several levels of conditions, something goes wrong and you want to get out of there. What then?
For those situations, I loved the exit mechanism in the CHILL language: Any composite statement could be labeled (a function body was a composite statement labeled by the function name). The label did not identify a "point" in the code, but the entire composite. So you could exit any composite statement by "EXIT label".
(Another nice use of the label: You could add it to the termination of the composite statement, any sort of END statement, easing the reading of deeply nested code, and the compiler would check the label to make sure that you made no mistakes in the nesting.)
Unfortunately, CHILL never got out of telephone switch programming (for which it was developed). It really was a nice language in a lot of respects.
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ZurdoDev wrote: One return.
There is only one return, from the program-flow perspective: the one it hits first.
When a program is running, the number of lines of code that are read varies according to loops and if statements. Having lots of quickly finished loops and quick escapes from if blocks is like hitting green lights all the way down the road.
Save your processor a billionth of a second of effort: let it get out as soon as it knows it has to get out.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Save your processor a billionth of a second of effort
Depending on the processor and the stack protocol you use to pass parameters and return values, you may find that you gain little to nothing.
Been there recently when I had to modify the 'traditional' call protocol of my old computer. Now it uses a second stack to pass parameters and return values, instead of inlining the parameters with the code for the call. Yuck, was way to close to self modifying code!. And I extended the address of the subroutine to 24 bits, so that I now can do bank switching in the calling protocol and call code anywhere in a 16 Mb memory space without the processor noticing anything. Not bad for a 40 year old 8 bit computer. If only there was a convenient way to access data anywhere in that memory space as well.
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Sounds like my kind of toy!
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I prefer one return but if I am working with people who go ape-sunshine about it I will defer to their preference. Life is too short to wage war about that.
All the while muttering under my breathe that their way leads to confusion and makes debugging more difficult like someone else already pointed out.
I'm passive-agressive that way.
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Multiple returns can lead to resource leaks if not handled properly (think of RAII)
I'd rather be phishing!
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Exactly what do you mean? In C++ RAII like objects (allocated on the stack) get destructor calls as soon as you go out of scope, even if you exit by exception.
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It took me a long time to accept multiple returns. Meanwhile I love the concept "If a decision is clear, draw the consequences".
And even though, if you are honest, it's a disguised goto; similar to a lot of MS code examples where a loop/break will be "missused".
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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Forogar wrote: if (s != null && s.Thing != null)
This.
Or better yet
void SomeFunction(SomeThing s)
{
if (null == s || null == s.Thing)
{
throw blah;
}
}
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fail fast, fail early. end of story.
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Forogar wrote: which is bad coding practice
You have to look into who says it's bad coding practice.
Let's be honest: the computer doesn't care. It just some human's personal preference, which he's written down in a book.
You don't have to follow anyone's personal preferences -- the computer doesn't care whose preferences you follow.Forogar wrote: This makes a complete hash of the natural flow of the code
OK, if you see it that way, that's your preference, and I won't try to change that.
But, to me, it looks like that's a way that the computer would be happier doing it, so my preference in this doesn't match yours.Forogar wrote: If I was to refactor the code
If I were to refactor your statement, it would look like this:Mark Wallace prefers: If I were to refactor the code
Which amounts to the same thing; it's all about personal preferences.
Make sure that you follow your own preferences, not those of someone who wrote a book, just because a few of his other ideas are good.
... Unless, of course, you have coding standards, where you work -- in which case, follow those religiously.
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I'm definitely in the single exit camp.
And, after browsing this thread, finding it very hard to argue the case for it beyond "'cause I am, that's why!"
I just like knowing there's a single exit point where I nuke that pointer if it's non-null etc.
"Look here you function - or threadproc - or whatever it is you call your self, you're not getting out of here until your hair is combed and you've buttoned your shirt."
If I were to use the multiple return paradigm I think I'd use multiple goto exit's instead. Which seems kinda uglee.
I'm definitely in the single exit camp.
'cause I am, that's why.
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Tim Deveaux wrote: after browsing this thread, finding it very hard to argue the case for it beyond "'cause I am, that's why!"
That's a good enough reason.
Me, I see adding returns where they fit as being more efficient (which it is), but unless you're doing something really intensive like editing high-res game graphics or video (where loops and if-blocks are hit, quite literally, billion of times), it won't make a difference that's human-noticeable, so stick to what you're happy with, and what makes your code easier on your eye, when you have to revisit it.
Tim Deveaux wrote: If I were to use the multiple return paradigm I think I'd use multiple goto exit's instead. Which seems kinda uglee.
Every jump to a non-sequential line is a goto. Loops and if statements were invented to save you the trouble of writing endless goto lines, by adding them for you, in the background behind the code.
Think: What does return do that goto doesn't?
(Answer: it satisfies the anti-goto evangelists, by using a function named "return", which does nothing but call goto.)
Saying that the goto is unacceptable is saying that if and for are unacceptable. Never be afraid of using a goto in sequential code, as long as you use it intelligently.
E.g. exiting an if-block with a goto is usually fine, but exiting a loop with a goto often isn't (unless you're only using global variables, which... Yeah, no need to expound on that one).
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Mark_Wallace wrote: ... stick to what you're happy with
Yes - in that it's a matter of style.
If I was working on a codebase that used the fast exit religiously, I'd stick to it - better not to mix styles.
But my style it definitely ain't - and that's part of it - the reassurance that if I wrote this my way it exits here - which is worth more to me than the (alleged) increase in readability.
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It's an old lesson I learned, probably from the days of assembly -- always have one point of return, mainly for consistent stack cleanup. I do rarely make an exception (to that rule) but usually end up making some other change that removes the if.
If you're doing parameter checking, as in your example, I tend to think it's better to throw an exception -- why should the function that's being called expect anything but valid parameters?
I've seen return sprinkled throughout a function as part of the flow control. I hate that. Sometimes I don't see the return, set the breakpoint at the end of the function, and then have to steps through from the top and realize some moron tossed in an early return. I'd almost rather they use a goto to the return, haha.
Personally, I look at code like that and refactor it into smaller functions that have no if statements, and the flow control occurs in a higher level function that doesn't do anything but call other functions based on conditions of previous functions or the data values. A lot more readable too when you separate out the flow control from the individual activities of each flow.
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Marc Clifton wrote: If you're doing parameter checking, as in your example, I tend to think it's better to throw an exception -- why should the function that's being called expect anything but valid parameters?
Right on !
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I think there are several issues at play here, the most important is one of consistency. If someone coming behind you can pick up on your style, much of the griping goes by the wayside. I am a strong supporter of early return - range checking arguments and the like. Where you get in to trouble is a 500 line function with nested returns - OR - so many levels of logic (to avoid nested returns) that it's screaming at you to re-factor it....
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Not messy at all. When reading through a method line-by-line
<pre lang="Delphi">
if SomeErrorCondition then
Exit(ErrorCode);
</pre>
is actually pretty darn readable. When debugging, setting one breakpoint at the single return statement and then fiddling which branch of the nested if-statement was taken isn't really easier than putting a breakpoint at every return statement and see which gets hit.
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I think that the Return statement should be dropped in any language,
for example look at Delphi (object pascal) they did not have a return statement until recently it seems. A function had to fill up a variable called Result, and because there was no return statement developers where forced to maintain a clean flow.
This is how it should be everywhere IMHO
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