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Thank you one and all for your response(s)
Made through the first night of negative twenty seven
Will I awaken alive ? Will the car start ?
We'll know after tonight's negative thirty two.
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Where are you that it's negative 27? Wind chill doesn't count on cars.
By now, you probably know if your battery is up to snuff 
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Wisconsin.
Supposedly colder than Antarctica that week; local gossip; nothing confirmed by any source I acknowledge at this time.
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Please report status
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: Please report status
I believe we hit 30 below zero; possibly 32.
Took my chances.
Gasoline did not freeze.
Battery struggled, but did start the car.
I had windshield washer fluid which advertised negative twenty degrees on its label.
It froze at negative 30 (I will remain satisfied with the product).
Seems the one effective way of de-icing the windshield is to...
- Start the car
- Turn the defroster onto blast-o-max-o
- Wait a long time
Expensive, but it seems to be the one thing that works.
Too bad they won't put that rear window de-icing circuit thing on the other windows.
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C-P-User-3 wrote: Seems the one effective way of de-icing the windshield is to...
- Start the car
- Turn the defroster onto blast-o-max-o
- Wait a long time
I always just used an ice scraper. That's what the things are for. Every filling station and grocery store sells them. Auto parts stores too, if you're really having trouble finding one. Heck, even Target sells them (and even in places that almost never need them, too).
As for windshield wiper fluid freezing, yeah, -30 is darn cold. You could try adding HEET to it , but truthfully, at -30 you probably don't want to be squirting any liquid on your windshield anyway.
Also, at those kinds of temps, you gotta start worrying about the antifreeze in the engine. As I recall, it isn't typically mixed to sustain such low temps.
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About the only time I travelled "up north" on a regular basis, two of my boys were involved in travel ice hockey. Most of the time, the weather was bearable - cold but sunny, temps around 10-25. There were a few trips my wife took to Sarnia at the south end of Lake Huron. Amazing amounts of snow piled up by the plows - 30+ feet.
One thing we noticed - seemed the cars up north warm up faster and put out more heat. The other thing - people actually put their cars in garages (those that have them).
Last week it was 75 here in Atlanta. Nope, not moving north
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Many years ago (like, around 1980) I read a philosophical dissertation about the concept of holes, being the defined by the abscence of "something", their existence defined by something outside themselves which is definitely not part of the hole, yet that which defines it...
You might think that this is a trivial matter, but this dissertation showed that it is certainly not.
My problem is that I have lost my copy. At least, I am unable to find it in my half a ton of old xerox copies in the basement. Does the issue ring a bell? Can anyone help me to a link, or even a reference to a paper copy of this dissertation?
(As far as I remember, my copy was a xerox of a friend's xerox, so without the copy at hand I cannot give any hint about the source.)
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Not a philosophical definition, but there is a similar concept in Semi-conductors
hole
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
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I recall some science papers and tangental philosophies that were based on a reversion of Einstein's problematic "hole argument" when he was working on general relativity.
If I recall correctly, it comes down the simple fact that a "hole" in something is simply a 3D object, and that object is within another object... so if know that parent object we know about the children within, so we can determine what the hole is or is not.
But I don't have a copy of that, just some term papers I did on Einstein back in school
Director of Transmogrification Services
Shinobi of Query Language
Master of Yoda Conditional
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So...your paper went down in a black hole?
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Just this. I was intending the same pun.
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Nope.
It went down a rat hole!
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I don't know about your holes but I like this Holes (2003) - IMDb[^]
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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If nothing wasn't something, they wouldn't have a word for it.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: If nothing wasn't something, they wouldn't have a word for it.
This is deeper than it might seem. And it's still too early in the morning for me to take that statement apart.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: If nothing wasn't something
Reminds me of a cartoon I saw in a 'sophisticated gentlemen's magazine'  . It showed a podium labeled with a large 'N', and a crowd of folks with their hands in the air, leaning toward it.
Two guys are standing nearby, looking at the scene. One asks the other, "Is Nothing sacred?"
Software Zen: delete this;
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Daughter gave us restaurant gift coupon via Amazon, for our anniversary (58).
Email gave us URL to get it, since it was not an Amazon coupon. First says "unsafe", then 404. Tried with Firefox and Chromium. Fails with both. Called Amazon, they sent another. Same thing. Fired up a W10 virtual machine and tried with Edge. Shazam, I have my coupon. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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So edge lets you be sucked in by unsafe web-sites?
Noted. Cheers!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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 that piece of software is pathetic. The next microsoft browser version should be better, since I do not think it can get worse.
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I wouldn't bet
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Well, they're redesigning edge to use the chromium engine. In other news, some muckety-muck at Microslop said mozilla should cease development on firefox because (paraphrasing) "having one browser is better than having multiple browsers".
Yeah. Right...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Change the browser agent to indicate Internet Explorer/Windows in either chrome or firefox, and I bet it works.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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