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Thanks, I'm interested and I'll check mine when I get home. We are on an older Enterprise 1709 version at work.
As I looked at the version you posted and then looked up win10 versions (Windows 10 version history - Wikipedia[^]) I was struck by the fact that it was so much easier in the past to determine/differentiate which version of windows I had installed. Windows XP SP3, etc.
Now, I've seen these new versions 100 times and I still don't remember anything about which version is installed on my pc at home. It's really stupid.
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Johnny J. wrote: Does anybody know how to get rid of that cr*p? 
and I thought everybody already knew how to get rid of win10.
linux is a good start,.... middle and finish.
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Lopatir wrote: linux is a good start
If that were actually true, Microsoft would have been gone long ago. 
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I recently migrated all the machines at home to Linux because I refuse to use Win10.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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But you are thinking about driving a Skoda, admit it 
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I tried linux years ago just to save money from buying a Win 7 license. Worst decision. I should have paid the $100 for Windows.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I did it for different reasons. Money wasn't the root issue, but it is admittedly a secondary or tertiary factor.
When Win7 goes tits-up next year, my only alternative is to go Win10 or Linux. I refuse to infect my machine with Win10, so Linux got the nod. It hasn't been all roses, but for thwe most part, I have no issues. I still run a Win7 VM for as long as Visual Studio will run on it. Downside - I can't run any SQL server newer than 2014 because 20116 and up will not run on Win7. However, there's a version of SQL server for Linux, so it's all good.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I refuse to infect my machine with Win10
For me, it has been their best OS yet.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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For email and web home users, it is.
For basic office users, it is.
For specialist office work, CAD CAM, what we do with VS, it isnt.
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Quote: The drinking dens are spilling out
There's staggering in the square
There's lads and lasses falling about
And a crackling in the air
Down around the dungeon doors
The shelters and the queues
Everybody's looking for
Somebody's arms to fall into
And it's what it is
It's what it is now
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Munchies_Matt wrote: For email and web home users, it is.
For basic office users, it is.
No way. When I installed Linux I had to find crazy command lines just to get network drivers to work. Then other command lines to enable basic OS features. You're telling me that regular home and office users want to deal with that? No way.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Did you try Ubuntu? It works right out of the box. In fact it is very stable, reliable and quick.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Did you try Ubuntu? It works right out of the box.
Ya, but it didn't work for me. So many command lines just to get it up and running.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I had to install some additional software on top of ubuntu but it wasn't an oppressive task.
The reason the commandline is so pervasive on KLinux is the because of the number of possible GUIs taht are available. It's difficult to write a GUI tool that supports all the available desktop platforms, and commandline always works. Linux's flexibility is its biggest downfall.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Linux's flexibility is its biggest downfall.
True. But all someone had to do within the last 20 years was make a linux that worked out of the box and named their utilities with names that make sense and then promote it. It seems like they could have easily overtaken Microsoft.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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When you have this many people working on it independently, who do you think is in a position to enforce what you're suggesting? There isn't one company "in charge" of Linux.
One could claim it could all go through Linus Torvalds, but he only does the kernel, and it sounds like it's already a full-time job.
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I know. Hence Microsoft is still beating them.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Don't kid yourself, Microsoft is "still beating them" only because that's all the mainstream knows and will settle for. It's called the tyranny of the default.
And I'm saying this as someone who's only had a passing interest in Linux over the last few years, and otherwise has been earning a living as a Windows developer for decades.
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dandy72 wrote: that's all the mainstream knows
But that's my point. If Linux were better than Microsoft, it seems like it would be pretty easy to have let someone know by now.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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"Better" is a subjective term.
0) Windows costs more than Linux.
1) Both have the same hardware requirements given a similar list of desired functionality
2) One of the biggest "claims to fame" is that Linux will run on really old and minimal hardware. That's true, but see item 1.
3) If all you ant is commandline, Linux is a cheaper, lighter and faster alternative (compared to Windows Server 2016). In both instances, you can choose to go GUI.
4) Both Linux and Windows are going to deprecate 32-bit support in the near future, so taht kinda blows the "really old hardware" benefit out of the water.
5) Windows is "better" because you're used to it.
6) Linux is "better" because it's free as well as infinitely configurable, and most software a home user would need is also free.
7) I'm boycotting item 7, because it's part of "Win7".
8) Windows is "better" because most apps look the same in terms of control placement and menu content. Linux really sucks in this regard, howeer, most apps available on Linux that are also available on Windows look very similar (FireFox, and Thunderbird for instance).
9) As a windows developer, I understand the reasons for sticking with Windows, but I'm nearing retirement age, and don't see the value anymore. I'll run my Win7 instance in a VM, and only use it when I'm developing for Windows at home. The rest of the time, I'll be using my boot OS - Linux.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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...and my point is that even if "they knew" (about Linux), they'd still choose Windows because of apathy and compatibility. Despite all of its flaws, it works "well enough" for most people to put up with it.
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Yet another Linux distro? Wouldn't that just exacerbate the problem?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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A Winux distro? 
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Well, Microslop has come out with WSL, which I hear is rather decent, if you like the commandline.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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