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dandy72 wrote: Now that we have video hardware that can show millions of colors and can do billions of operations per second, today's UIs (were it not for resolution) wouldn't look any different on CGA video cards.
It's absolute lunacy!!
It seems like it is based on nothing else except "being different from the old".
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It'll come around again; it's just a matter of time. Then whoever re-introduces the concept of colors in a UI will be described as a visionary and a pioneer. 
My personal preference - Windows XP in Windows Classic mode looked great and was absolutely functional. It took me a long time to get used to Windows Aero, but ultimately I think that was the highest point in terms of Windows UI design. Then it all went downhill in order to "simplify everything" for the sake of tablets and touch.
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dandy72 wrote: Then whoever re-introduces the concept of colors in a UI will be described as a visionary and a pioneer.
Nailed it!!
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... designed by flat, uncreative, colouress minds who can't imagine an inventive, creative, and colourful future.
The words "don't upgrade" are becoming more and more prevalent. I've no way of knowing if there is one (twitter is blocked on my network), but there ought to be a hashtag for it.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: designed by flat, uncreative, colouress minds who can't imagine an inventive, creative, and colourful future.
Agree 100%
again, it seems to be the new way simply because it is "different from the old way" with no sound reasoning behind it. Maybe we should all go back to black and white TVs too?? 
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raddevus wrote: Maybe we should all go back to black and white TVs too??
Color-TV's add to the experience.
The new and modern UI's are not evolving, but devolving. Where the common controls 3.0 were a radiant beacon of design (albeit "ugly"), the new UI is lacking in every aspect. One of the great advantages was the recognizability; which is gone. The idea of keeping the UI consistent is out of the Window. With it, reduced learning-expenses went out the window too.
The old UI was great in terms of discoverability; you look and instantly identify the control as a user, and how it behaves. Nowadays you hover over each part of the screen to FIND the damn controls (sometimes clicking a label to verify!).
The old UI was designed for accessability; nowadays a UI is designed for a specific resolution, and hardly scales. Set your desktop to a high-contrast scheme with an increased DPI, and watch most modern UI's fail.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: The old UI was great in terms of discoverability; you look and instantly identify the control as a user, and how it behaves. Nowadays you hover over each part of the screen to FIND the damn controls (sometimes clicking a label to verify!).
So true. This is the one that really gets me too. It's just so much wasted time and effort.
The Search capability in Visual Studio 2013 and beyond is really terrible. Every time I try to change the ignore case and whole word options I can never even tell what is selected or not.
See https://i.stack.imgur.com/zO5xn.png[^]
And that very light box has recently been added...before it was just shaded differences.
The whole new metro thing is terrible.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: The idea of keeping the UI consistent is out of the Window
I think in this regard the updates to Skype are a huge sin on the part of Microsoft - menu choices open to windows where it's anyone's as to whether the cross, to close the window, will be at the top left or top right of the window.
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ms have taken "idiot proofing" to the next level.
1. the less choices they give the less mistakes can happen.
2. big is good, bigger means it's more important.
3. idiots always click the most colorful things first, and after that anything that's red.... take that away and they will click everything equal amounts.
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Lopatir wrote: idiots always click the most colorful things first,
That's a good point. I guess with this new UI MS doesn't want anybody clicking anything.
Who can even tell what is an active item any more?? 
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Function for function/button for button, the effluent ribbon takes up more space.
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It looks as though they are trying to make everything look like printed paper. I guess it would make it easier to take screen shots and print, but other than that, I see no benefit in the new design.
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Donathan.Hutchings wrote: looks as though they are trying to make everything look like printed paper. I guess it would make it easier to take screen shots and print,
That struck me so funny. And I know you are trying to figure out the lunacy as we all are. It's just so funny because,
Shout it from the hill tops! "THIS IS THE YEAR OF THE PAPERLESS OFFICE!!!!"
Maybe MS will add AI (BUZZ WORD!!!) to the Project Selection too and it'll choose the project type that you will use whether you want to or not!!!
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raddevus wrote: Maybe MS will add AI (BUZZ WORD!!!) to the Project Selection too and it'll choose the project type that you will use whether you want to or not!!!
HA! 
If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would think that they designed the Windows UI to be easier for screen scraping and send that info back to Microsoft. 
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Donathan.Hutchings wrote: think that they designed the Windows UI to be easier for screen scraping and send that info back to Microsoft.
You may be onto something here...
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I meant it as a joke, but I spoke to one of my colleagues here at work and he doesn't think it's so far fetched. He used to work in the banking industry and that's how they processed reports via OCR and screen scrapes. Technically, it would be one way of getting around antivirus software. No need to key capturing or transmitting saved files. Maybe that's why they introduced the clipping app.
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I like it 
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Yeah I miss the old 3d look of things and being able to adjust the colors of all the elements. There is no good reason for the regression or at least the option of style.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: There is no good reason for the regression or at least the option of style.
I think they used the solid science of impulsive whims to get to this lack of design.
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Whilst I'm not entirely smitten, I'm failing to hate it.
It's better than having it look like an olde worlde MySpace page.
And it's not like we spend half our lives gazing at the project opening page.
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PeejayAdams wrote: Whilst I'm not entirely smitten, I'm failing to hate it.
Well, try harder.
PeejayAdams wrote: And it's not like we spend half our lives gazing at the project opening page.
Maybe you don't. But, if I go any further into Visual Studio it means work, so I'll sit here gazing intently.
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Hmm, the preview version I'm using looks the same as in VS2017. V 16.0.0 Preview 1
Oh I see -- When I right click on a solution and "Add New Project", I get the old dialog.
From File => New, I get the flat dialog.
Gads, and whoever mapped the filtering doesn't make it easy. So I want to pick a .NET Core project, so I selected C# and IoT. Nothing listed. But if I pick C# and Linux, I see .NET Core project options.
And why doesn't the pulldown show me the selection? I have to look at the "Filter By:" to see my selection.
Oh geez. And the worst is, this is the design people are going to be copying so they look like MS, no, not Microsoft, simply More Sh*t.
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Marc Clifton wrote: Gads, and whoever mapped the filtering doesn't make it easy.
Yep, I found the same thing. Plus (as usual) they've removed some project templates (which are still in 2017) too, so if you want those ones you have to keep 2017 around.
Marc Clifton wrote: simply More Sh*t.
It really is. And it's too bad.
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