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raddevus21-Dec-18 4:49

21-Dec-18 4:49

Mark_Wallace wrote:
The problem is that it's probably not artificial, and it's by no stretch of the imagination intelligent.

I know that this is kind of a tongue in cheek phrase and I do agree with you. This isn't a full Artificial. The problem is that "AI" triggers the initial thing. Then the un-Intelligence (real person) gets involved who believes the trigger is the Ultimate Truth. So, at this point you have the failure of two systems - the Automation one and the human one. It's quite terrible.
It even goes further as the human feeds back to the Artificial in such a way that furthers the Artificial's code to take other actions which simply convinces the human counterpart that s/he is even more correct. Ugh!!

Mark_Wallace21-Dec-18 6:19

21-Dec-18 6:19

Well, if a lazy human wants to avoid taking the blame for his mistreatment of others, an AI makes a great scapegoat.

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raddevus21-Dec-18 7:00

21-Dec-18 7:00

Mark_Wallace wrote:
if a lazy human wants to avoid taking the blame

If?!?
Unfortunately, it will always be so. Frown | :(

Mark_Wallace21-Dec-18 7:09

21-Dec-18 7:09

I stand corrected.

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matblue2521-Dec-18 5:06

matblue25

21-Dec-18 5:06

Sounds more like artificial bureaucracy than artificial intelligence. Always been a big diff between intelligence and bureaucracy.

raddevus21-Dec-18 5:42

21-Dec-18 5:42

matblue25 wrote:
Sounds more like artificial bureaucracy than artificial intelligence.

Yes! I think we've found our new buzz-phrase: Artificial Bureaucracy.

The problem is that I don't believe human intelligence is capable of making Artificial Intelligence, only Artificial Bureaucracy. I mean, I guess it's kind of evident since we have so many Natural Bureaucracies. And maybe it's not about capability, maybe it's about desire. When you're not the person stuck in the bureaucracy you don't really care about creating non-bureaucratic systems.
Alas. Sigh | :sigh:

Steve Naidamast21-Dec-18 6:25

Steve Naidamast

21-Dec-18 6:25

Many years ago, famed scientist and science-fiction author, Issac Asimov, wrote a short story describing a very similar situation that you describe here.

However, in this story, the main subject was given a minor parking ticket for a street infraction and through a series of computer mistakes landed up being executed for the murder of a person he never met...

Welcome to your future... Frown | :(

Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com

K Personett21-Dec-18 9:27

K Personett

21-Dec-18 9:27

Many years ago I was was writing/experimenting with Inference Engines. Any expert system and pretty much any AI is only as effective as the input and people training it.

I've been a Marvel comics reader since I could read the word 'soapbox', so several of my many test cases used Marvel comics canon to determine logical and likely outcomes. As a test, I had a friend of mine (a DC fan) run the system to build a knowledge base and rules based on popular DC comic book characters. When he sent me the knowledge base on CD based on specific assumptions that were present due to specific DC lore, we ended up writing a "doors" that allowed our two BBS's to link the inference engines together. The doors on the BBS's we hosted were some of the most popular for our users, who would submit questions to the system and in turn be presented with questions in return to further build out the knowledge base. The conclusions were hilarious.

The IA Network we created was call "Multi-dimensional Omniscient Reactionary Objective Network"
(M.O.R.O.N.)

AI, like any other code, follows that age-old adage... "Garbage in, garbage out!"

raddevus21-Dec-18 10:33

21-Dec-18 10:33

Sounds like a really interesting project.

I-16-741018 wrote:
AI, like any other code, follows that age-old adage... "Garbage in, garbage out!"

Agree 100%!

A Christmas question for you.

James Lonero22-Dec-18 11:49

James Lonero

22-Dec-18 11:49

We were told that we would have to be afraid of computers in the future but computers controlled by people is a new fear. Unfortunately, Amazon is not as smart as we would expect if they could be so easily duped. The one we elected king has surrounded himself with a good defense to make his life easy.

OriginalGriff20-Dec-18 1:32

20-Dec-18 1:32

If the Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't create all life, why is DNA shaped like pasta?[^]

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Mark_Wallace20-Dec-18 1:42

20-Dec-18 1:42

Hey! No religious discussions in the Lounge!

(And everyone knows it's because fusilli is the invisible Pink Unicorn's favourite, anyway!)

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megaadam20-Dec-18 2:42

megaadam

20-Dec-18 2:42

DUH! He did create all life.

"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

PeejayAdams20-Dec-18 3:25

PeejayAdams

20-Dec-18 3:25

Spaghetti is pasta but pasta is not necessarily spaghetti.

Pasta disguises its horrible self as all sorts of things - sea-shells, tongues, butterflies, deconstructed string-vests, worms, upper-case text, discoloured bed-sheets, testes, bow-ties and indeed, DNA molecules in a desperate attempt to make itself seem more interesting than it actually is.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain

Mark_Wallace20-Dec-18 10:14

20-Dec-18 10:14

Yes, potatoes are far more interesting. And rice.

These things are called staples because after eating them every day for years, you're tempted to staple your mouth closed.

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Munchies_Matt20-Dec-18 3:39

Munchies_Matt

20-Dec-18 3:39

Nah, thats a triple helix. Smile | :)

OriginalGriff20-Dec-18 4:03

20-Dec-18 4:03

Ah! Developer DNA!

Real estate agents, marketing executives, and politicians only have the single helix: Obligatory Dilbert[^]

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Rick York20-Dec-18 7:05

Rick York

20-Dec-18 7:05

Wow, a 24 years old one too. Nicely done.

"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

When searching doesn't work.

dandy7221-Dec-18 2:39

dandy72

21-Dec-18 2:39

There's a Yo mama joke in there somewhere...

OriginalGriff20-Dec-18 0:10

20-Dec-18 0:10

I just searched the Origin store for DOOM - by accident, wrong tab - and predictably, it didn't find it (it's on Steam)

But what it did come back with is revealing: Origin[^]

"The 100% Electric Nissan Leaf®"
Strangely, I can see a connection ... Laugh | :laugh:

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Mark_Wallace20-Dec-18 0:20

20-Dec-18 0:20

GoG has a pretty good deal on DooM[^], but you'll want to also install one of the advanced ports[^], for the better graphics, etc.

I used to use Doom Legacy[^] , but it's fallen a bit behind in compatibility with user-created Wads[^], so I now use GZDoom[^].

[edit] Hmm, the link to the idgames ftp site doesn't seem to work, in CP, but if you use a decent file manager, you can connect anonymously to ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/pc/msdos/games/idgames/levels/ [/edit]

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OriginalGriff20-Dec-18 0:35

20-Dec-18 0:35

I've got all the DooM stuff on GoG - heck, I've lost count of how many copies of DooM i;'ve bought over the years!

I'm thinking about the 2016 version on Steam. I've found that the MB and i5 I fitted in the summer plays the demo nicely, even if I have a GTX 660 Ti and the min requirements are a 670. The culprit was this: Modders build Doom (2016) tutorial level in Doom 2 (1994) - Polygon[^]. Man! That would have been a magnificent Doom2 level!

I dunno. DooM took over my life back in the day; do I have time to play it properly and do it justice?

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raddevus20-Dec-18 1:36

20-Dec-18 1:36

I believe you are looking for their original release: Commander Keen on Steam[^] Laugh | :laugh:

That really was a great game. I played it on an IBM PS/2 (from 3.5" disks) while working in the Computer Lab at University.

Mark_Wallace20-Dec-18 1:38

20-Dec-18 1:38

OriginalGriff wrote:
I've lost count of how many copies of DooM i;'ve bought over the years!

You and me both! (Same with Quake & D3D)

OriginalGriff wrote:
Modders build Doom (2016) tutorial level in Doom 2 (1994) - Polygon[^]

Hey, that hasn't made it to the idgames archive!

It's in my archive now, though!

OriginalGriff wrote:
do I have time to play it properly and do it justice?

That's what I thought when I found the idgames archive, but megawads like Requiem[^] make you find the time.

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