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It is different to leaving a current job because when you do that the company has got some value from your work, and you need to give a notice period which gives them a chance to replace you, and that notice period also means you have fully complied with your legal and moral duty to the company. Accepting a job offer and then declining it puts the company in a bad situation for many reasons. For one they may be banking on the fact that you are starting, and now they have to re-start the hiring process. They might have spent money on advertising, on agency fees etc which has gone to waste. If you are waiting on another offer to come through then you should tell the company that you need to wait, not accept it while you wait and see if the other offer comes through.
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I'm not sure where you live but everything here is "at will". There's no legal obligation at all and the moral obligation only seems to apply to the employee not the business. I've seen someone walked out of many jobs with no notice at all, and I've seen people rage quit and storm out.
This company knew I was interviewing with other companies. I think that's why they put a very short time limit on the offer they extended.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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I'm with you. I have no loyalty for any company. They need my skills and I sell my time + skills to make my living. If I don't produce they will ex me. If I find better option, I will leave. Simple as that.
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noob. no offense. I've been a hiring manager. We love people like you.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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All employers love me because I act professionally and have high moral standards 
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disagree. 200%. Contract other than show up for a week, we'll pay you a week? Nonsense. If they *really* wanted him, they would have given him golden handcuffs.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Nonsense. If they decided the next day that they didn't need him the would find a way to fire him.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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I can't understand this mindset many people have (especially in the states) where employees should be both beholden and loyal to companies even at their own cost but companies have zero obligation to the employee beyond a static paycheck. Hypocritical.
In general:
Loyalty, like respect, is a two-way street. If a company doesn't want to worry about hiring difficulties, then take the steps to keep talent you've hired. It's not like job-hunting is free for the labor either (in dollars or in time).
EDIT: Also in this specific case, no contracts have been signed yet. Do you honestly think a company would "do what's right" even if it cost the company money and they had no legal obligation to do it? 
modified 30-Oct-18 23:24pm.
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Yeah the laborer has to do a decent amount of work beyond just sending in resumes. I had several interviews and code tests and whatnot. Definitely not free.
I also understand that if it made sense for them, they'd cancel on me even after I'd quit my current job. I've seen that happen before (not to me, but to a friend).
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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loctrice wrote: I also understand that if it made sense for them, they'd cancel on me even after I'd quit my current job. I've seen that happen before (not to me, but to a friend).
Happened to me. After I moved, in fact. Company decided they were fine with their old system and let 3 new hires go days before we started. I even drove 13 hours to an interview for that job. Learned my lesson. Now I'm just chilling in the middle of nowhere Kansas. Thinking of hopping over to CO after I finish school.
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Happened to me too. Got an interview, then an offer, and a couple of days later a friend of theirs got the job instead. So much for moral obligations...
Thankfully I had waited on responses from other companies before telling them to ignore my other applications, so I had no trouble taking another offer.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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And... you fell for their trap. What they did is unprofessional and should be seriously considered in future job searches. My experience says that short times for consideration are red flags being waved in your face.
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I wonder what position in the A-Team he would have gotten...
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Murdock, has to be Murdock...
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It doesn't matter - the plan didn't come together!
Socialism is the Axe Body Spray of political ideologies: It never does what it claims to do, but people too young to know better keep buying it anyway. (Glenn Reynolds)
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How about: So long suckers
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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loctrice wrote: made me an offer that I can't refuse
Did it involve a suggestion that you might be sleeping with the fishes? 
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote: Did it involve a suggestion that you might be sleeping with the fishes?
I did not know we had Troy McClure as a member.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Dear Company A,
I have made the decision to decline your job offer and will no longer be joining you at this time. I have recently been offered an alternative role with another organisation which is much more suited to my current situation.
I apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused you and I thank you for your time and interest.
Best Regards,
Me
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Basically just keep it short and to the point. It is good to mention the other offer as it reduces their need to come back with follow up questions (which they likely will if you don't say anything), which you don't want.
If they are professional enough then you will get a short "we are sorry but all the best" reply. Otherwise you might get a short and ungrateful one... either way, you shouldn't need to take any further action with them.
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Nice. 
This happens a lot. It's the nature of job-hunting. If you've had two interviews, and one makes you an offer, and you're under pressure to say yes or no then you should say yes. You can't assume the other will be an offer, so if you don't accept the first you might end up with nothing. In practice it's the agency (if any) that gets upset (and might call you unprofessional) rather than the client, for understandable reasons. But that's life.
As I was once told, if you don't look after yourself, no-one else will. Harsh, but true.
Kevin
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musefan wrote: I have made the decision to decline your job offer and will no longer be joining you at this time
Too brutal, too much information, and with bits in the wrong order.
Unfortunately, circumstances dictate that things will not be able to go forward as planned, and I am no longer able to join you at this time.
I thank you for your time and interest in me, and apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.
You've got to use things like "join you at this time" and "your interest in me", in case the other job goes pear-shaped.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Agree - make it non-personal. Blame "circumstances" not personal choice.
Do this sooner rather than later if you are feeling guilty about letting down company A; BUT do wait until you've had and accepted a formal offer from B, otherwise it becomes very awkward to go back to A and say, "you know that job offer I turned down? Due to a change in circumstances..." 
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I waited until the paperwork went through, then sent the email out. I've had offers not work out so I know not to set fire to the house I'm still standing in.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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A couple score years ago, I had the same situation with graduate schools.
Penn State accepted me and I accepted. Then Northwestern accepted me. A far better option in the field.
My research advisor/mentor, who even had ties to Penn State, when asked what to do said "Northwestern - no question". And pointed out I really didn't owe anything to either.
I took his advise - but such decisions still cause no small discomfort.
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