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Is a water tank a submarine with a turret?
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And plunge Europe into a new World War.
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If it's hemispherical, is the ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) turrets-in-dome ?
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That would be a Tiger (shark) Tank - to be used in Marianas trench warfare?
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Dunno, I can't follow your deepest thoughts... 
And even if I could, I would never sink so low! 
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I recently accepted an offer from company A. I didn't have time to wait for company B as the offer would expire. Sure enough company B made me an offer that I can't refuse. I'm comfortable with my decision, but I don't know a good/professional way to tell company A that I've reconsidered. You can find things like resignation letter examples on line, but I don't see any examples of this.
Ideas? Suggestions?
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There is no good\professional way of doing this as what you are doing is unprofessional (sorry, but it is!). Just tell them succinctly that you're declining as you got another offer. Also check the small-print of anything you have signed or agreed to in case there is anything covering this.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: as what you are doing is unprofessional (sorry, but it is!)
No apologies necessary. I'm aware of this. You can see details below if you want.
I think mentioning another offer may be more information than is needed. I may just tell them I've reconsidered and decided it's not going to work.
FYI:
There was a relocation package on the table the entire time. Through the process they decided to put me in for a different job than I was approached with, and then I "qualified" for one level down from that. This meant the pay was less as well as no relocation package. I was going to do it anyway because there's a sign on bonus that would cover it but I'd have to live there myself until my first check and then bring the family.
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So Company A proposed jobOne with great stuff but then switched you to jobTwo with not so great stuff? Company B then came along with better stuff?
Sounds like you are doing the right thing since Company A was doing some bait and switch on you, shaky ethics on their part too.
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What is complicated in my mind is I "formally" accepted. I didn't do any paperwork yet though. There are forms and a drug screen I have to do in order to be truly hired.
But yes, your description sounds right.
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loctrice wrote: drug screen
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Just be honest and tell Company A what just happened. You have no obligation to go through if you haven't take any of the sign-on bonus money. Situation like happens all the time. If Company A doesn't understand that, you wouldn't want to work for them anyway. What you need to do is weight on which job or company is better in the long run.
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I actually had the same situation where the job with Company A was offered and I accepted as Company B was taking too long - then Company B finally came back with a much, much, much better offer and I told Company A that I would not be starting with them after all. I did this as soon as possible so as to give them chance to reach out to other candidates. They came back with a higher offer and an earlier start date but it still didn't match up. I knew from what they had already told me that this new offer would just mean a delay in any later pay raise anyway as they had fairly strict policies as to how much they would pay a given position.
Up to the point where they pay you some money for relocation or you actually start work or whatever, there should be no problem with saying, "I've reconsidered and my best opportunity is elsewhere, thanks, goodbye." This is not unprofessional.
I've had people come to join our team and quit after four hours. That was unprofessional.
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In this case simply tell them that you've reconsidered and have decided to decline. Make sure Company B's offer is still on the table. You were given what appears to be a bait and switch by company A - they will continue to do so.
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No issue here - "upon further thought I've decided the job you offered is not what I am looking for" and be done with it. They apparently reconsidered too else they would not have switched jobs after the interview.
In a year's time no one will even remember it happened.
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Apart from maybe accepting the alternate offer too quickly, I see no fault on your part. Company A should accept it if you tell them you reconsidered. If they're professional they shouldn't bother you by asking for a reason (it might be obvious anyway after they shoved you to a different job).
It would be different if they offered you the job you applied for. But even then: it's your and your family's future that depends on this decision - nobody has the right to question that as long as you're not breaking any contract.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: as what you are doing is unprofessional
Why? How is it different than leaving a job you are in to take a better job? How long should he have to work at the first job before he could take a different/better job somewhere else? 1 week? 3 months? At least in this position the company hasn't had to do a bunch of paperwork for in-processing a new employee and a bunch of training. They probably still have the ability to reach out to their other applicants if it has only been a short time since he accepted.
Aren't all jobs accepted on the unspoken premise of "I will work for you until something better comes along."?
I will agree that it is awkward and inconvenient for the the parties involved but I do not view it as unprofessional.
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This is an interesting take. I don't disagree when it's phrased this way.
Also almost every job here is "at will" so it can be terminated instantly by either party for no reason at all.
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You must have heard the saying that "A man is only as good as his word."
He has made a commitment to the first company. Breaking that commitment makes him at best.. a liar. So, yes it is definitely unprofessional.
Try testing that approach on your wife.
"Honey, I'm with you until something better comes along." - let us know how that goes?
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This is actually more like breaking off an engagement than disrespecting your wife.
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Justify as you see fit to allow you to sleep at night; however, I agree that it is unprofessional. In any event, since nothing concerning this job is in writing yet, you don't need a formal letter to tell them you do not want the job (unless you have written a letter accepting the job). Basically, maintain consistency of correspondence.
Explain your situation to the extent you think necessary. You are not "saving face" with Company A here anyway; you now NEVER have a chance of being employed there: your record is in the system, and will always be referenced as "a quitter" in the future. Depending on how well management at Company A is connected to other companies, your reputation will precede you as you go through your career and fallout from this may exist for a while. Or it may not. Much like a relationship, the longer you wait to break it off, the more damage will occur.
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I don't know about unprofessional. You must judge your decision for your own career. No company will have any interest in your career development.
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He didn't exactly 'give his word', much less propose to the company. He made a decision, he thought about it, he reconsidered. To me that is a more reasonable and professional approach than sticking to the first decision no matter how wrong it was.
OTOH, going through with a decision that you realize was wrong is definitely unprofessional.
Did he lie when he accepted the offer? No. Lying implies intent. He didn't intend to retract his commitment.
The world would be a better place if everyone in a position to do so would regularly reassess his past decisions and correct them while it's only causing a minimal side effects rather than waiting until it all breaks down.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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It is different to leaving a current job because when you do that the company has got some value from your work, and you need to give a notice period which gives them a chance to replace you, and that notice period also means you have fully complied with your legal and moral duty to the company. Accepting a job offer and then declining it puts the company in a bad situation for many reasons. For one they may be banking on the fact that you are starting, and now they have to re-start the hiring process. They might have spent money on advertising, on agency fees etc which has gone to waste. If you are waiting on another offer to come through then you should tell the company that you need to wait, not accept it while you wait and see if the other offer comes through.
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