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I heard it as "Why do developers always mix up Halloween and Christmas?"
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Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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That version makes more sense.
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don't forget your hat
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Here is a very cool white-paper written by students at Worcester Polytechnic Institute.
It's done so well that I am impressed with the entire institute even though I've never heard of it before.
https://web.wpi.edu/Pubs/E-project/Available/E-project-090208-113049/unrestricted/MQPFinalReport.pdf^
Summary
It's a great narrative of a group of students who undertook the challenge of building a guitar effects pedal which includes a 10-band equalizer and distortion unit.
Numerous Great Parts to the White-Paper
1. Very nice explanations of fundamental concepts (see 1st quote below for my favorite example.)
2. Reverse engineering of numerous effects pedals currently on the market.
3. Complete schematics for those pedals (and the students' final project).
4. Very nice illustrations including pictures and charts, etc.
5. Comparative analysis of the effects pedals.
6. Lessons learned notes
white-paper: how the basic system works - NICE! Guitar signals are created by metal strings of specific tensions being picked causing them to oscillate, which induces an electric field in the inductive magnetic coils of the guitar, called pickups. The electric field induces a sinusoidal current in the coils of wire around the pickups, which travels through the coiled wire inside the pickups through a network of volume and tone potentiometers and out the output jack of the electric guitar. From there it is approximately between 140mV and 1.4V in amplitude, and changes frequency depending on fundamental frequencies of the notes played and their accompanying harmonics. This signal flows through a
guitar cable to a series of signal processing circuitry and then is sent through the speakers of a guitar amplifier.
white-paper: summary of lessons The task undertaken of building a distortion pedal with a ten band equalizer, with functionality comparable to existing pedals on the market today is one that is undertaken by teams of specialized and experienced engineers, with resources far exceeding that available to our group as students. A WPI education provides the foundations for continued learning through practice in the workplace. This project represents our abilities and our research to this point, and serves as the culmination of our education and our transition from students to engineers.
Knowledge necessary to build a functioning and marketable distortion pedal is not contained in any lecture or textbook.
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Ron Anders wrote: Pedals are cool man.
For sure!
And if you're additionally interested in the electronics behind them then this white-paper is extremely cool. That's why I was so interested in this. Really great stuff.
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The British are the best sound engineers in the world, what do you expect? 
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Munchies_Matt wrote: The British are the best sound engineers in the world
I believe you. But these are the New British because I believe the institute is located in Worcester, MA (not the Worcester in England).
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Damn, close!
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Well, according to the British, the British are the best in the world
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We are. We invented the industrial revolution. Rock music. Beer. The E type Jag. Concord (OK, you helped a bit with the paint scheme  )
The Beatles, Stones, Led Zep, Floyd.
The only reason the US is so successful is they branched from the UK you know. 
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Why do it yourself if you can take it from someone else .
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I prefer to use IDE optical drives to avoid dedicating an internal SATA port to a device I almost never use. I was shocked at how expensive they are - 2X more than a SATA drive.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I think the problem is that motherboards have a limited number of SATA ports built in. Using one up for an optical drive means you can't use it for something else, like a hard disk or SSD.
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Ah, well that makes sense.
Then would an external optical drive be a viable solution here, thus not using up a SATA port (have it run off of USB)?
modified 26-Oct-18 8:28am.
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External USB drives are pretty pricey as well - and some require their own power connection. I have an old xbox HD-DVD external drive. I'm tempted to take it out of the case it's in and put it in a box (if it's IDE inside).
I also have an USB Blu-ray drive I could to the same thing with.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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It's been something like a decade since new mobo's stopped including IDE cable plugs, I'm honestly mildly surprised that such drives are still available new at all.
I'm guessing the prices you see are a combination of reflecting what they cost to make a number of years ago + cumulative warehouse costs for storing them for a number of years vs SATA drives whose inventory turns over rapidly.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: It's been something like a decade since new mobo's stopped including IDE cable plugs
I didn't authorize that change... I'm going to find out who's responsible, and "take care of the problem".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Let's see:
Intel and AMD for dropping it from the chipsets. All the mobo makers for deciding that adding a few dollars to the cost to include an extra controller for it after most users were full SATA everywhere.
If you still really want an IDE port you can get cheap expansion cards to add one, otoh if you're trying to cram as many HDD's into a box as possible you could get a SATA card with 4-8 ports instead and use all but one of them for HDDs.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I found a motherboard with eight SATA ports (and an eSATA connector), but I don't really feel like re-building my file server (because CPU and RAM as well).
OTOH, rebuilding the server would be cheaper than buying an 8-bay SATA enclosure by about $60 - and wouldn't require YAWP (yet another wall plug).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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At the point of being even in cost, I'd lean toward full replacement if your old server's more than a few years old just to buy more time before an expected failure as well.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Eight SATA ports is fairly common, isn't it? I've got several motherboards with 8 SATAs.
Furthermore: From the old days when SATA was still new, I've had laying around a PCI card providing 4 extra SATA sockets. Those were SATA 2.0, but my disks were SATA 2 as well, so that wasn't any limitation. (I decided to buy larger disks, so now I don't use it.)
Checking mail order stores, I see that I can buy an 8 port SATA 3.0 PCI Express card for less than NOK 1000 (that is, slightly above 100 Euro). If you don't need 8 of them, you can get a card for NOK 200 (roughly 20 Euro) with 2 internal connectors, 2 external eSATA - that is for PCI, not PCI Express, and it supports only SATA 1.0. Obviously this is an old model, but if your motherboard is old, it may not provide PCI Express slots.
Google for e.g. "ST Lab PCI SATA 2P eSATA/SATA" for the 2+2 SATA 1.0 board, "ST Lab PCIe SATA 6G 8channel" for the modern 8 port SATA 3.0 board.
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Member 7989122 wrote: Eight SATA ports is fairly common, isn't it?
Not at all. Most motherboards have just four. All of the boards I have right now only have four.
My media server already has four built-on SATA ports (no IDE), and a four-port add-on card as well. I'm almost out of space for drives - I currently have a boot drive, a dvd player, and six media drives - I can physically support four/five more (in terms of space in the case), or even one more if I let the (SSD) boot drive rest in the bottom of the case.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Member 7989122 wrote: Eight SATA ports is fairly common, isn't it? I've got several motherboards with 8 SATAs.
On high end boards yes, otherwise generally not.
Using Newegg's filtering functions and looking at current mainstream socket boards:
On the AMD side of the 867 AM4 boards listed 9 have 10 sata ports, 98 have 8, 420 have 6, 340 4. All of the 8/10 port boards are full ATX oe EATX. The smaller mATX/mITX form factors that would normally look reasonable in a server top out at 6 or 2 ports.
For Intel's 300 series LGA 1151 boards (again current mainstream socket), only 13 of 1436 have 8 sata ports, although at least 2/3rds have 6. The 8 port boards are all full ATX, although at least you can get 6 of them on a file server friendly mITX board. 8 ports was more common on older Intel boards. I suspect the reason it's less so now is that due to the way their chipsets are setup, each m.2 ssd slot shares resources with a SATA port; and not being able to use both at once almost certainly caused some degree of customer confusion and with m.2 being the forward looking port they're eliminating it by cutting the number of sata connectors.
Going farther up the stack, most LGA2066 and almost half of thread ripper boards have 8 sata ports; but for a simple file server those platforms are massive and expensive overkill.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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