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Munchies_Matt wrote: The British are the best sound engineers in the world
I believe you. But these are the New British because I believe the institute is located in Worcester, MA (not the Worcester in England). 
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Damn, close!
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Well, according to the British, the British are the best in the world
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We are. We invented the industrial revolution. Rock music. Beer. The E type Jag. Concord (OK, you helped a bit with the paint scheme  )
The Beatles, Stones, Led Zep, Floyd.
The only reason the US is so successful is they branched from the UK you know. 
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Why do it yourself if you can take it from someone else .
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I prefer to use IDE optical drives to avoid dedicating an internal SATA port to a device I almost never use. I was shocked at how expensive they are - 2X more than a SATA drive.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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I think the problem is that motherboards have a limited number of SATA ports built in. Using one up for an optical drive means you can't use it for something else, like a hard disk or SSD.
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Ah, well that makes sense.
Then would an external optical drive be a viable solution here, thus not using up a SATA port (have it run off of USB)?
modified 26-Oct-18 8:28am.
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External USB drives are pretty pricey as well - and some require their own power connection. I have an old xbox HD-DVD external drive. I'm tempted to take it out of the case it's in and put it in a box (if it's IDE inside).
I also have an USB Blu-ray drive I could to the same thing with.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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It's been something like a decade since new mobo's stopped including IDE cable plugs, I'm honestly mildly surprised that such drives are still available new at all.
I'm guessing the prices you see are a combination of reflecting what they cost to make a number of years ago + cumulative warehouse costs for storing them for a number of years vs SATA drives whose inventory turns over rapidly.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: It's been something like a decade since new mobo's stopped including IDE cable plugs
I didn't authorize that change... I'm going to find out who's responsible, and "take care of the problem".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Let's see:
Intel and AMD for dropping it from the chipsets. All the mobo makers for deciding that adding a few dollars to the cost to include an extra controller for it after most users were full SATA everywhere.
If you still really want an IDE port you can get cheap expansion cards to add one, otoh if you're trying to cram as many HDD's into a box as possible you could get a SATA card with 4-8 ports instead and use all but one of them for HDDs.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I found a motherboard with eight SATA ports (and an eSATA connector), but I don't really feel like re-building my file server (because CPU and RAM as well).
OTOH, rebuilding the server would be cheaper than buying an 8-bay SATA enclosure by about $60 - and wouldn't require YAWP (yet another wall plug).
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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At the point of being even in cost, I'd lean toward full replacement if your old server's more than a few years old just to buy more time before an expected failure as well.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Eight SATA ports is fairly common, isn't it? I've got several motherboards with 8 SATAs.
Furthermore: From the old days when SATA was still new, I've had laying around a PCI card providing 4 extra SATA sockets. Those were SATA 2.0, but my disks were SATA 2 as well, so that wasn't any limitation. (I decided to buy larger disks, so now I don't use it.)
Checking mail order stores, I see that I can buy an 8 port SATA 3.0 PCI Express card for less than NOK 1000 (that is, slightly above 100 Euro). If you don't need 8 of them, you can get a card for NOK 200 (roughly 20 Euro) with 2 internal connectors, 2 external eSATA - that is for PCI, not PCI Express, and it supports only SATA 1.0. Obviously this is an old model, but if your motherboard is old, it may not provide PCI Express slots.
Google for e.g. "ST Lab PCI SATA 2P eSATA/SATA" for the 2+2 SATA 1.0 board, "ST Lab PCIe SATA 6G 8channel" for the modern 8 port SATA 3.0 board.
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Member 7989122 wrote: Eight SATA ports is fairly common, isn't it?
Not at all. Most motherboards have just four. All of the boards I have right now only have four.
My media server already has four built-on SATA ports (no IDE), and a four-port add-on card as well. I'm almost out of space for drives - I currently have a boot drive, a dvd player, and six media drives - I can physically support four/five more (in terms of space in the case), or even one more if I let the (SSD) boot drive rest in the bottom of the case.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Member 7989122 wrote: Eight SATA ports is fairly common, isn't it? I've got several motherboards with 8 SATAs.
On high end boards yes, otherwise generally not.
Using Newegg's filtering functions and looking at current mainstream socket boards:
On the AMD side of the 867 AM4 boards listed 9 have 10 sata ports, 98 have 8, 420 have 6, 340 4. All of the 8/10 port boards are full ATX oe EATX. The smaller mATX/mITX form factors that would normally look reasonable in a server top out at 6 or 2 ports.
For Intel's 300 series LGA 1151 boards (again current mainstream socket), only 13 of 1436 have 8 sata ports, although at least 2/3rds have 6. The 8 port boards are all full ATX, although at least you can get 6 of them on a file server friendly mITX board. 8 ports was more common on older Intel boards. I suspect the reason it's less so now is that due to the way their chipsets are setup, each m.2 ssd slot shares resources with a SATA port; and not being able to use both at once almost certainly caused some degree of customer confusion and with m.2 being the forward looking port they're eliminating it by cutting the number of sata connectors.
Going farther up the stack, most LGA2066 and almost half of thread ripper boards have 8 sata ports; but for a simple file server those platforms are massive and expensive overkill.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: I'm honestly mildly surprised that such drives are still available new at all.
I still have a box somewhere (granted, not new) with half a dozen CDROM drives with a SCSI interface. And as many spare caddies (link for those who aren't aware these were a thing)
modified 26-Oct-18 12:46pm.
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That's funny.
The first time I showed a relative of mine the process of burning a CD he was expecting to see sparks.
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How old was your relative?
I was probably 8 or 10 at the time of my story.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I don't recall, but he was an adult...
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You could maybe use a SATA to IDE adapter / converter?
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Do they really exist?
The other way around: Yes. To be able to access old IDE disks from newer computers with SATA interface only - that makes sense. (Although I think most IDE-to-something are IDE-to-USB, rather than SATA).
Is there really a market for converters to make a modern SATA disk work on a PC so old that it doesn't have a SATA interface? If it doesn't have SATA (or to few SATAs), most users would plug the SATA disk into a SATA-to-USB interface, e.g. to access it from a portable that may be quite up-to-date, but doesn't have the physical space for another SATA disk. The only real need for SATA-to-IDE is for computers so old that they haven't got a USB interface. I've got one of those in my private computer museum, but I don't think I will ever connect a SATA disk to it!
While a SATA-to-IDE adapter would be technically feasible, I doubt that it would be commercially feasible.
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