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Covenant - We Stand Alone[^]
I've known Covenant for about 15 years now.
Not that I ever listened to them, but they shared a name with a black metal band I did listen to (who had to change their name to The Kovenant because of this Covenant).
Anyway, when I saw Covenant was playing at a free festival in my area I had to check them out.
I'm not very fond of their vocalist, but they're awesome live on stage.
This track in particular blew me away, so it's this week's SOTW 
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The whole album is cool.
IMO, the late 90's and early 2000 was the golden age of industrial music.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Should I always undo fake news...
with fake deletes?
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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nah, like gopher smashing games it keeps coming back
just Return Home and forget about it.
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No. you should use the template classes fake_unique_ptr<>, fake_shared_ptr<>, fake_array<>, etc., all declared in the C++20 standard header <fake>.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I see. That makes a lot of sense now!
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Program it for readers to think it is real news.
TOMZ_KV
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Regularly, Pete's initials shortly removes possession from a refined type goes online. (7)
It's a simple one but I like it.
This space for rent
modified 21-Sep-18 4:25am.
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Well, I'm lost.
Best I can come up with is HOP.... being PO'H in alphabetical order, but the rest is lost on me. I'm guessing you are up Monday!
On second thoughts...
SHOPPER?
S for Shortly, HOP as above, rest no idea, "goes online": Shopper?
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I was fishing round HOP with CR (remove OWN from CROWN) but getting nowhere. Wonder if PO'H has a middle initial he's not letting on about 
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Here, at work, a bunch of our developer have taken over the development of a console app.
By taking over I mean they are going to rewrite from scratch a much better new one.
For now they are putting down a web like service framework which is going to componentize the app to the next level.
Personally I have my doubt. And I think console app and web look different because they behave differently. And I also doubt anyone is gonna do a much better job than the previous app, when they are rewriting from scratch an app they barely understand in the first place.... (i.e. I believe heavy refactoring is the way to go, and strangely enough nobody here want heavy refactoring instead, strangely enough, they believe full rewrite from scratch is the way to go)
Oh well... we shall see how things unfold   
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Carry popcorn to the office tomorrow. 
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Oh it's on going process...
They have been working on the replacement app for 2 (3?) weeks already.
It still does nothing. But it does it better, so far!
To be fair I do believe it will eventually do something... According to the schedule it should do 30% of the functionality of current app by Christmas... Reasonable since they intend to do some copy/paste, eventually...
And the current app suffer from the following funny symptoms. The real work (managing hardware items) is relatively simple and reusable (after some heavy refactoring on my part! ). The real blunder is in data aggregation and cloud / phone syncing.
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You don't happen to have a developer called W. Heath Robinson[^] working on the project by any chance?
To quote from the article he was known for designing "whimsically elaborate, some might say ridiculously complicated, machines to achieve simple objectives."
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Console app or windows forms/WPF?
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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To be specific, IoT Background process...
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So more like windows service. Good luck!
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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They enjoying writing it all in JavaScript?
This space for rent
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Haha that would be funny ^^
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World has moved on, Sir. It is TypeScript era now. 
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Wrapping the Model (as in MVC, MVP, MVVM) into services is not a bad approach at all. Call the services asynchronously and take that into account in your presentation logic and the differences in behavior disappear. At least that will give them a strict separation of tiers.
Super Lloyd wrote: And I also doubt anyone is gonna do a much better job than the previous app
Ok, Sheldon, give the kids at least a chance to fail before you begin to count their mistakes. 
Super Lloyd wrote: i.e. I believe heavy refactoring is the way to go, and strangely enough nobody here want heavy refactoring instead, strangely enough, they believe full rewrite from scratch is the way to go
Like it or not, not everybody enjoys dealing with unexpected side effects which accompany heavy refactoring. Your love for the old solution in all honor, but I have seen enough totally messed up junk that had to be put out of its misery. If only someone had kept track of the requirements and changes instead of insisting that this spaghetti mess somehow documents itself...
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I have no love for the old solution
I believe, as a general statement, that making a new app from scratch when you have no clue about the old one, seldom result in better outcome...
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Super Lloyd wrote: when you have no clue about the old one
How many people who do have a clue are still around? And why are they not working on it?
Just how can we keep having a clue, even when people leave or are not available anymore? Is that not what reqirement management, change management and project documentation are for? If these things do not exist (except - just maybe - between someone's ears), then building it new reduces the problem to getting a clue. At least you don't also have to wrestle with all sorts of undocumented surprises as well.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
modified 21-Sep-18 4:25am.
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We did that last year... rewriting an old system that I didn't write or knew how it worked. We ended up basically copying the old db and implementing a new back-end and front end, which at least came out looking prettier than the old one.
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The advantage of using a web framework is that the application can be platform independent, is this needed ?
Otherwise I have my doubts, seen some things like the new PgAdmin4 for PostgreSQL that have become bloated and slow as molasses ...
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