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GKP199226-Aug-18 22:01

GKP1992

26-Aug-18 22:01

That is a lot of patience. Do you employ zen techniques?

modified 27-Aug-18 4:10am.

Nelek27-Aug-18 0:02

Nelek

27-Aug-18 0:02

No... he is retired Laugh | :laugh:

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Mike Hankey27-Aug-18 2:31

Mike Hankey

27-Aug-18 2:31

The book is TCP/IP Guide, I started reading it a few years ago and couldn't do it. I have a lot of other things to keep me busy so I allot 50 pages per day, one so I don't overloaded and twould so I can digest information.
I'm not familiar with zen techniques, I'm just old.

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Jim_Snyder27-Aug-18 3:20

27-Aug-18 3:20

Old ain't bad. It equates to experience. The danger is as a fellow employee who is equally old demonstrates, don't get rigid in your thinking or methodology. Of course, the shift from functional code to object oriented isn't easy even if you are young.

Mike Hankey27-Aug-18 5:24

Mike Hankey

27-Aug-18 5:24

With an open mind you'll learn and grow.

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Jim_Snyder27-Aug-18 5:43

27-Aug-18 5:43

LOL! Poorly phrased, but the equally old dude I was referring to sits about 4 feet from me. His mind is partially open as he can create one giant class to do his entire project, but fails to see why anyone would use properties or break classes into smaller explicit classes.

Sander Rossel26-Aug-18 8:35

26-Aug-18 8:35

Randal Vance Cunanan wrote:
I like to have a better grasp of the technology first before starting a project, so I try to read a beginner book first, then some intermediate to advanced books, sometimes before even trying to create an app.

How's that working out for you?
This seems like a very ineffective way of learning to me.
Most of what you read won't even stick because you don't know what you're reading about!

A book is fine, but follow along with the examples.
In the end, there's just one way to learn how to code and that's by writing code!

Personally, I go for tutorials on the internet.
Usually, a new technology has a "getting started" section on their website.
After you've seen some of the technology you can dive deeper, perhaps by reading a book.
Scanning through the different tutorials on a technologies' website can also help in knowing what you don't know, for example, you'll find out Vue.js has components which must be registered (whatever that means).
And, after some years of experience, I'll usually think "there's probably a pattern for this" after which I can do a directed search, for example, "share code between angular controllers".

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Kirill Illenseer26-Aug-18 21:27

Kirill Illenseer

26-Aug-18 21:27

I need something the technology I'm about to learn is great for. I remember learning OOP from having a task/scheduler project, I had several (related) types of tasks and have solved that via inheritance. Before that, OOP was for me "Namespaces separated by dots" because that was all OOP was doing for me that I needed.

But that's maybe just me. I'm a practical guy and I strugge big time learning something for the very sake of learning it. I need a project, a goal with the new stuff being a better way to reach that goal, then my previous knowledge. Otherwise, I'll do things the most effecient way and if that means that I won't learn anyting new, then that new wasn't a good idea to learn in the first place.

Jim_Snyder27-Aug-18 3:22

27-Aug-18 3:22

Same here. Applied learning works, but theoretical just flows on through.

GKP199226-Aug-18 22:09

GKP1992

26-Aug-18 22:09

Learning strategies depend on what kind of a person you are.
I for one can be a bit impatient when trying to learn something new unless I get to do something with it. This is a reason a lot of my learning projects never finish.
OTOH, the things I learn while doing hands-on, tend to stay with me for a while. Can't say the same with reading books and then diving in.
However, I'd pick books over video tutorials any day of the week.

Randal Vance Cunanan wrote:
Let's put React.js for example. I can simply learn react by looking at the "Getting Started" and some basic concepts, and then start coding immediately. But then I will miss concepts like redux and other patterns if I don't read an entire book.

React.js is easy enough to start like that and I do not think there is any harm in it. I'd go for the more advanced concepts only when required.

anupam jaiswal27-Aug-18 0:16

anupam jaiswal

27-Aug-18 0:16

I prefer to learn basics by watching videos, and reading article. and then try to find out running projects for the same topic on Github or any other online repository, and then tweak my changes in the project to capture advance features of the technology.

BryanFazekas27-Aug-18 1:16

BryanFazekas

27-Aug-18 1:16

I generally read first.

I like the SAMS books, e.g., "Learn XXX in 21/28 Days". This provides the basics along with coding examples to follow and practice problems to do. For anyone with coding experience, the first 5 to 8 chapters are a breeze though -- the later chapters generally take 30-60 minutes, including practice problems. Note: the books are uneven in quality, but overall I have found them useful.

Then I do something real. I've written address book apps in numerous languages, as I know the requirements and it hits the major points (DB access, display lists, editing, reports, etc.)

After that I hit tutorials and videos for specific things that I need to know. Once I get past the basics, I learn best by doing.

Jim_Snyder27-Aug-18 3:26

27-Aug-18 3:26

I can't stand that kind of books. Everything in the book is pretty much easy enough on its own and I feel like I have wasted money almost immediately. I get books I can use to expand my horizons in areas I am likely to need a reference for. Everything before that is easy enough by web example or from IDE help.

Ed(Member 1767792)27-Aug-18 4:23

Ed(Member 1767792)

27-Aug-18 4:23

I like to read first, then work the samples in the book. From there I start to change the samples to see what happens and what else can be done. How to 'break it' and how to 'fix it'. Then move to more advanced books and repeat.

ormonds27-Aug-18 17:17

ormonds

27-Aug-18 17:17

I find as the years pass that it is more about relearning, so I can understand code I wrote a few years ago.

What it was, was...

PIEBALDconsult26-Aug-18 5:24

26-Aug-18 5:24

Remember this What was that?[^] from last fall? While building a new system yesterday, I found out what it was.

https://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/Uploads/2587207/PoppedaCap.JPG[^]

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter26-Aug-18 5:51

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

26-Aug-18 5:51

You may forget it - it didn't made any impact for 10 months...

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018

PIEBALDconsult26-Aug-18 5:54

26-Aug-18 5:54

Was still running OK; it was the software that was rusting.

Sander Rossel26-Aug-18 8:23

26-Aug-18 8:23

PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Remember this What was that?[^] from last fall?

I remember it clearly.
This was a life-defining moment for me and for many of us here on CP, I'm sure.
Not a day goes by where I don't think back to that "pop" you heard on that fateful day.

Oh, wait... No I don't Big Grin | :-D

Must feel good to have finally found it though Laugh | :laugh:

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PIEBALDconsult26-Aug-18 8:32

26-Aug-18 8:32

The sarcasm is strong with this one...

Sander Rossel26-Aug-18 9:50

26-Aug-18 9:50

I'm thinking of taking on a Padawan Big Grin | :-D

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PIEBALDconsult26-Aug-18 10:36

26-Aug-18 10:36

See if you can get Natalie Portman.

Sander Rossel26-Aug-18 10:46