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Every time you tell a seasoned programmer to "study more" you are just sinking your own argument and, frankly, alienating the people that you're trying to puff yourself up to.
The point is that good software written in VB is despite the language, not empowered by it.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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that was a hold over from VB6 days. when the first VB.net came out, it supported a upgrade wizard to moved VB6 to VB.Net. Way to many devs in VB6 relied on this because there was no structured error handling.
They should drop support for some of the old baggage, but MS will likely keep it forever. C# was lucky as it was new and fresh and (mostly) had none of the burdens of an older sibling.
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georani wrote: but more fun and readable to program with
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georani wrote: but more fun and readable to program with
Google translate: "The only language I know"
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Wait until he discovers JavaScript. He is perfect JS fanboi material.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Oh gawd. We don't need another one; the world doesn't need another one.
Anyway, he'll never cope: "{" instead of "Begin" will blow his mind. 
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Nah man, hoisting would cause seizures.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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I think some people are attracted to really cringy languages like BASIC, PHP or JS. They love the sinister hacks and awful workarounds and pat themselves on the back for their great ideas. Too bad they naver waste a thought about why nobody else does such things.
That's also why I tend to stay away from anything where such a hack culture prevails.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I don't agree; I think it has more to do with the forgiving nature of a dynamic language compiler/interpreter.
In my experience (and as a teen, what was my experience) there isn't some sinister master plan on the part of the coder to torture code; they just don't have the grounding to really understand what's going on or why some approach is wrong/fragile/ill-conceived.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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Nathan Minier wrote: In my experience (and as a teen, what was my experience) there isn't some sinister master plan on the part of the coder to torture code; they just don't have the grounding to really understand what's going on or why some approach is wrong/fragile/ill-conceived.
Yes, that's the flypaper with which they are cought. XXX is soooooo easy for beginners. The problem is that you don't stay a beginner forever and your tasks grow as well.
If you don't get off the flypaper quickly, you are going to become a hack and likely stay that way forever. You don't know how much I thank my dark gods that my experience as a teen was with hey hex keyboards, machine language and a community that knew what it was doing.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I can't fully disagree, except that while JS may be dynamic, it has a real use and is a highly effective tool in the toolbox of someone that can work with it appropriately.
(Plus it's not intuitive enough to be good flypaper, which is more of a condemnation than an advertisement for a dynamic language)
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity."
- Hanlon's Razor
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Yes fun e readable.
Please compare this VB.NET code:
Public Class MyClass1
Public Property Mynumber As Integer = 3
End Class
With This C# equivalent
public class MyClass1
{
public int Mynumber {get; set;} = 3;
}
I Think VB.NET is more readable and fun.
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georani wrote: I Think VB.NET is more readable and fun.
And I am sure there are many more who agree. But if you learned C# first then you would (as I do) hold the complete opposite view. And as in all such surveys, the actual results are generally totally meaningless and useless.
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Now write the VB equivalent of this C#
public class MyClass1
{
public int Mynumber {get; private set;} = 3;
}
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Done:
Public Class MyClass1
Private _Mynumber As Integer = 3
Public Property Mynumber() As Integer
Get
Return _Mynumber
End Get
Private Set(value As Integer)
_Mynumber = value
End Set
End Property
End Class
This C# equivalent:
public class MyClass1
{
public int Mynumber {get; private set;} = 3;
}
It's shorter, but not fun or more readable.
modified 21-Jul-18 11:35am.
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georani wrote: not fun or more readable.
Who are you trying to kid? Yourself?
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Quote: Who are you trying to kid? Yourself?
I Think this:
This code:
Public Property Mynumber() As Integer
Get
Return _Mynumber
End Get
Private Set(value As Integer)
_Mynumber = value
End Set
End Property
Is more readable and more safe than this shorter and equivalent C# code:
public int Mynumber {get; private set;} = 3;
If you read fast, you can make mistakes when reading this C# code, and anyone can understand VB version, even non programmers,
but if you are not a C# programmer what the hell is "{get; private set;} = 3"?
modified 21-Jul-18 11:37am.
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You're getting pretty desperate now...
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It's so interesting seeing someone who doesn't really know what programming is quite about, making grand comparisons between programming tools.
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So,
The TIOBE index is nothing more than an analysis of search results from the following search engines:
[Search Engine] [Weight]
Google.com 7.69%
Youtube.com 7.38%
Baidu.com 7.08%
Wikipedia.org 6.77%
Yahoo.com: 6.46%
Google.co.in: 6.15%
Google.co.jp: 5.85%
Google.ru: 5.54%
Google.co.uk: 5.23%
Google.com.br: 4.92%
Google.com.hk: 4.62%
Google.de: 4.31%
Google.fr: 4.00%
Ebay.com: 3.69%
Csdn.net: 3.38%
Bing.com: 3.08%
Msn.com: 2.77%
Google.it: 2.46%
Hao123.com: 2.15%
Google.ca: 1.85%
Google.com.au: 1.54%
Google.es: 1.23%
Google.com.mx: 0.92%
Ebay.de: 0.62%
Google.com.tr: 0.31%
= 100%
Using the following search term:
+"<language> programming"
And the result is derived from the following equation:
((hits(PL,SE1)/hits(SE1) + ... + hits(PL,SEn)/hits(SEn))/n
Source: TIOBE Programming Community Index Definition
It's basically a meaningless number. Have a look at the graph they have presented. Notice that in early 2004 there is a glitch in their graph where Python jumps up and Java and C++ tank dramatically. That happened because of the Google PageRank algorithm changes codenamed 'Austin' and 'Brandy' that was designed to combat the old SEO tricks webmasters used to get higher rank.
In other words... when search engines change their algorithm the tiobe index jumps all around.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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Oi! No confusing the faithful with facts - that's cheating!
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Trust me,
Here is proof:
PROOF
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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Your proof is overwhelming: how could any man of reason fail to be convinced? 
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Randor wrote: proof:
PROOF
You keep misspelling "lies" 
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georani wrote: so powerful as C#, but more fun and readable to program with it.
C# is a cleaned up version of VB.
"Fun" you say. I say there's a lot of hobbyists.
Aaaw, the fun of cleaning up after them - so much, I regularly refuse to 
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