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I assume that "too close" means, maybe, twenty light years or so?
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I'm sure lots of us receive job postings from many recruiters. I just thought I'd post this one because it made me laugh. 10 years minimum required for many, *very* particular skills?! Let me know if anyone on the planet would qualify. I'll be happy to send the original post if you want to respond 
Skills Required
Demonstrated experience working with MS Dynamics Online CRM Platform (current versions preferred) Required 10 years
Experience designing, developing and managing multiple enterprise level CRM applications Required 10 years
Experience creating web services for enterprise MS Dynamics CRM Online applications Required 10 years
Experience with CRM data replication to Microsoft SQL Server Required 10 years
Experience with bi-directional integrations with multiple source systems. Required 10 years
Experience with GIS integration with MS Dynamics Online CRM Platform Required 10 years
Experience with batch document scanning and storing those images in Azure Blob Storage Required 10 years
Must have enterprise application experience in setting up security roles for multi-level (county/state or similar) agencies. Required 10 years
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10 years experience with Azure? Given it hasn't been out for 10 years I guess they're looking for someone involved in its actual development.
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I was waiting for that comment to appear...
Steve Naidamast
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Nah, they are looking for a time traveler.
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Well ... Azure was announced in Oct 2008, but no, it wasn't released till 2010.
Plus, I'm guessing that if you had ten years of solid experience in all of those, you probably retured twenty years ago...
I'm guessing they are trying to trap time travellers.
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Generally, if I have ten years of experience in something, I don't want to continue doing it.
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Well, given that MS Dynamics didn't even become available until 2012, it will be another few years before anyone can fill the position.
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Not so, I got my MCSE in Dynamics in 2008. In fact I wouldn't be far off meeting all these requirements - if I hadn't retired 5 years ago
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another point that irks me on this "10 years experience" is given updates and enhancements what you were doing/how you were doing it 10 years ago in a particular product is generally not relevant.
(Then again many often ask for that 10 years experience to be in the 'latest version' too - i.e. '10 years experience in c# 7.0'.)
would it not be more fitting to say "a major role involving X [and Y and Z] within the last 2 years." An old guy I know drove a heavy truck for 10 years, that was 40 years ago, I'm sure he could manage but I doubt he would be comfortable with today's rigs (and I would prefer to be on the other side of the country if he tried.)
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CTL-C ---> Required 10 years ---> CTL-V ---> Required 10 years
Spending 10 Years of your life doing ---> Batch document scanning and storing those images in Azure Blob Storage !!!!
Caveat Emptor.
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Anyone with that much experience in MS CRM would either be committed to an insane asylum, or worse.
On my short list of "quickly exit the interview" technologies.
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I used to see similar job offer scenarios back in real life, when I was a chemist. They usually came with a remarkably low salary considering the very specific skills required. If outline in enough detail, only one person on earth will match the specs.
They're a scam to get around US immigration laws - primarily used by large business. The H1-B type of visa/work-permit requires the they first look to US citizens before hiring from overseas.
It basically allows hiring for a specific job (hence, cannot quit) at low wages and a tax exemption.
A win-win for everyone . . . except for US citizens.
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Yes, that is exactly how the scam works. They define very specific requirements that are usually precisely the skill set of the guy they just hired. I have witnessed it first hand. I even compared the description with the CV of a guy one time and they matched. Actually it's also common for government jobs that don't involve an H1-B. It's how they get their niece or daughter-in-law hired. My wife saw that several times last year when she was looking.
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Rick York wrote: They define very specific requirements that are usually precisely the skill set of the guy they just hired
I'm one of those guys except I had been here for 12 years with the same organisation when they delisted the agency I had been using, to change agencies they HAD to advertise the position locally. The ad looked somewhat like that one, not as silly but matched my skill set exactly.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: It basically allows hiring for a specific job (hence, cannot quit) at low wages and a tax exemption.
It's so much worse morally. And the exact way it's worse makes perfect sense why corporations use unattainable requirements to hire them even though the H1B employee generally doesn't come close to filling the position requirements.
Indentured servitude. You have an employee that can't ask for a promotion because they'll get deported (change of job title which nullifies the existing contract). You can't really ask for a raise (if you get fired for any reason you get deported). And the time it takes to be accepted for a green card can be more than a decade. That means an employee that you don't have to promote, pay more, or worry about them leaving for a decade or more.
Take this all with a grain of salt, however, as the topic is so heavily discussed I've been unable to locate the news I've read over the years that backs these claims up. Also I'm not a lawyer so I'm definitely not qualified to wade through the massive amount of legal jargon around the topic. But in addition to personal recollection, I've seen many discussions on other boards where retired people are contacted to fill junior-ish positions with insane requirements (some impossible). What do you think the company did after the senior developer with 20+ years experience turned down the 60k/yr job? They wouldn't spend money hiring if they didn't need it - they H1B'd.
Note that I have no issues with the H1B concept but as always happens in a capitalistic society the intent has been distorted to the detriment of the local populace and the H1B employee to the benefit of only the corporations and shareholders.
modified 20-Apr-18 2:35am.
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Experience with time travel 10 years.
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is that 10 years of time travel performed consecutively or concurrently?
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It seems no skills whatsoever are required to write job postings! 
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I have some HR friends/family and have heard two versions of events.
1) The company just wants an H1B so they put ridiculous requirements that no native could meet then H1B the best option that might not even be close in skill to the nearest native. (This also applies to local and non-local applicants; not just H1B since non-local residents aren't in a favorable bargaining position either).
2) HR has no idea what any of the jargon means so they request a senior or manager for specifics. That senior/manager has deadlines to meet, sees this as a waste of time, and just rambles on about what they'd like in a candidate; not what's actually needed or feasible. This leads to a cacophony of problems that just ends in tons of wasted time and no results.
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In other words, they probably want someone from Microsoft who's actually been working on those products from their very start. Let me guess - they're also paying about a third of what those people at MS are actually making. How far off am I?
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I bet they are ageist as well. Probably want someone in their 20's to come work at the company.
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Seeking: Early 20s, 10 years of experience in AWS, 15 years experience in C#, must know all design patterns, architectural styles, and an advanced understanding of optimizing the .NET runtime.
(Surprisingly not far off from a job posting I saw last year. Basically just remove the age requirement - though to be fair they hinted strongly at that.)
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I've discussed these kind of requirements with various people in the know, including some who are actually responsible for these kind of requirement lists, and it seems that most are well aware that it's extremely unlikely, if at all possible, for anyone to fulfill all requirements. However, apparently there are still enough applications from people who barely fulfil half the requirements - in part - to make this meaningless.
Seems like the contest between job offerings and job applications nowadays is all about who can be more unrealistic ... 
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