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Quote: I won't buy HP anymore after a couple of unpleasant experiences with them.
I have had the same issues. I have a AlienWare 2014 Aurora R4 that I just spent ~$1000 USD to repair over the past 6 months. Not good enough with a soldering iron myself and the graphics card was an NVidea 1070 with 'normal' connectors.
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OriginalGriff wrote: That's not really a Micro$haft problem
I never blamed them for it.
OriginalGriff wrote: HP's problem
I know, but they do not care.
OriginalGriff wrote: try replacing the video with an "off board" video and new drivers
I think I'll do this. I have spare one from 2002 (Yes, my older regurlarly-improved computer lasted from 2002 to 2015), so I might buy a new one. Plus my son turned 10, and that's an age for starting playing high-demanding 3D games, so...
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This[^] will get rid of your hardware compatibility problems.
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This would be feasible, if everybody else jumped on the bandwagon. Being the only one working with linux in a world of windows is just asking for troubles.
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With more and more web-based applications it becomes less and less noticeable.
"My place", for example: A Win7 shop, but few if (any new) applications are not accessed via a browser. I will admit that one notable exception, of sorts, will only run under IE. Everyone here has FoxPro installed.
So - given a desktop with links to applications, who'd know about the upgrade?
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Depending on what the PC is used for, Linux may be an option. For development work? Nope. But for general purposes (email, browsing, etc.) it may work just fine.
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BryanFazekas wrote: for general purposes
I am active in a lot of associations, and everybody uses WOrd, Excel, etc... while I know of all the LibreOffice and other clones, they are not 100% compatible and they are mch less performant than the microsoft equivalents...
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Ditto. I have played with Linux and while it's a good OS and has many very useful tools (including LibreOffice) ... I could not use it as my normal desktop.
Just had a thought -- MS Office Online works on Android. I will investigate if it works on Linux in general. While the online version has been less functional than the Windows desktop version, it may be sufficient. At least it's something to consider.
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Not as much as you would think. I've had two older laptops that should have run lighter linux distros without a problem, but... One was a 2004 Sony Vaio and in the ended up just installing the original XP distro and donate it to a charity because I couldn't find any linux distro that would install on it without hanging at some point. The other is a 2009 Gateway Netbook with a 32-bit Atom processor. I did eventually get an older version of OpenSUSE to install on it, but I was amazed at the number of distros that supposedly target this class of computer that would not install.
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... and introduce a variety of software compatibility and/or unavailability problems.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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Hey, yours is new!
My newest are circa 2008. But no way am I going to put Win 10 on either of them.
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I belong to the happy few who have nothing against windows 10.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: My newest are circa 2008. But no way am I going to put Win 10 on either of them.
All my equipment and software are circa 2008 (Windows 7, Visual Studio, etc.). My personal opinion is that we were at a technology "sweet spot" then. I see absolutely no reason to upgrade my development tools or my equipment. As far as the equipment goes, I simply went to SSD for primary storage and added a little RAM. I'm good for the duration as far as PC software development goes.
If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair
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Oh, well, some of my software goes back to 2002. 
My systems need more RAM at least.
I'd like to get new CPUs and motherboards, but I need to find one with FDD support. 
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The elitist among us would say that we're "living in the past". OK, so I'm living in the past. I'm also crying all-the-way to the bank. 
If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair
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What about installing some older Windows like Windows 7 or Linux on the machine? 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Quote: some older better Windows like Windows 7
FTFY
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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First thing I did when I got my i7 Dell was partition it and put windows 7 on.
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Yeah I know, but hell, how many hours until I am back with all my SW installed...
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Rage wrote: It is a hp pavilion p6, bought in 2014. It works like a charm.
I first read this as a Pentium 6, and of course my first thought was you should be happy the thing still turns on. 
Jeremy Falcon
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You can just install an older version no of Windows 10 (Fresh) and pick up what drivers HP offers (HP Auto Detect)
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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abmv wrote: pick up what drivers HP offers (HP Auto Detect)
or, for an equivalent level of pain, I could burn my eyes with liquid metal.
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What about using the restore point that was created before the update in question?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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That is pretty much what I do, but the update keeps installing and there is no way to prevent it.
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Does the mouse pointer display? If so, can you wander around the screen and see it change to the text-input cursor in one place near the center? If so, does the screen work if you sleep the laptop and then wake it back up again?
If you answered yes to all that.. there may be a workaround -- basically, you teach the computer to reset the video right after it boots.
Rage wrote: In what twisted world are we living ...?
The one where my 1 year old laptop was orphaned by the manufacturer when Win 8.1 came out.
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