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Marc Clifton wrote: Why can't people write a nice coherent, independent, library with proper inversion of control, interfaces, etc., that completely decouples the DHT from the specific application.
We can't all be as perfect as you.  
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: We can't all be as perfect as you.
It's not perfection, it's good coding practice!
Marc
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I agree. It also depends the skills and on the goal of the developers in question. Sometimes you just want to "get the job done" and not worry about extensibility and overridability, etc. Being overly concerned with that can lead to over architecting.
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I've been there - all too often it's "get this thing out the door" instead of taking the time to architect it. Then they wonder why it takes so long to implement changes. 
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That's 90 percent you know.
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I would not be surprised if the code was refactored to use log4net and they forgot some old console writes.
As for the other stuff, I feel your pain.
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rguilmette wrote: Dihydrotestosterone
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock.
In fact, I hate knocking. Just barge in will'Ya?
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Distributed Hash Table.
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Marc Clifton wrote: like, who the heck uses log4net anymore???
No one, that code is at least 6 years old though. Looks like a rip of even older code from the Daylight project (which is very dead now). So it might be 8 years old or so, and that also explains the inconsistencies.
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Marc Clifton wrote: like, who the heck uses log4net anymore
I do. It seems to be my fate to keep 20+ year old application that have been ported to .Net alive. Often enough I'm hapy that a single library for loging has been used (at least most of the time).
My own code also tends to get as old as a turtle and I would not be doing very much anymore if I always was ripping out libraries that are not fashionable enough anymore. Even Microsoft's efforts to drain all fun and motivation from those projects by changing everything, only to sell us yet another windows version, has not made me do that. The more they make me feel like a donkey that's being baited with a carrot, the less I'm inclined to play along. Don't fix it as long as it's not broken.
I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this.
Please don't reply explaining what method overloading is
modified 9-Aug-17 12:57pm.
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CodeWraith wrote: Don't fix it as long as it's not broken.
<sarcasm> Unless I wrote it, it is broken and requires changes. </sarcasm>
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maze3 wrote: <sarcasm> Unless I wrote it, it is broken and requires changes. </sarcasm>
<sarcasm^2>How good to meet the guy who singlehandedly rewrote the OS and the .Net framework, just for warmups.
I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this.
Please don't reply explaining what method overloading is
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I did not write .net 3.5, hence it was broken.
I reworte it and named it 4.0.
Then someone else decide Core was a good way to go.
I have not looked at it yet, so might be broken.
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I understand your frustration but you get a solution that works for free and you still complain? Maybe you share your results with the community when you are done!?
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hug.login wrote: but you get a solution that works for free and you still complain?
Well, it doesn't quite work because it's entangled.  That said, I imagine that the same complaint can be made for code I have on GitHub.
hug.login wrote: Maybe you share your results with the community when you are done!?
That was the intent. Detangle it, understand thoroughly the implementation of the Kademlia algorithm, document it and post it on CP. Assuming that'll be my next article, that'll make 214 I've contributed to this site so far. 
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: that'll make 214 I've contributed
You're a friggin' beast! We're not worthy! LOL.
Seriously. I've read several of your articles. I'm impressed.
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Marc Clifton wrote: What's particularly disappointing is that code seems well written and documented, I would have expected better from the people that wrote this, given the quality of their stuff.
I actually see myself writing this code a few years back. The thing is, I knew a lot, read a lot of books "BUT", have always worked on small projects, never on frameworks or libraries. I even got an MCC Award from Microsoft for my contributions to C# and Windows Forms.
But I had never actually really understood or worked with the SOLID principles before. I hadn't read the GoF book or any other architectural design books, which were my main source of knowledge back then.
I took me a while, to actually work on projects that implemented more sophisticated design patterns. But I still wrote a lot of very good code, using all advanced knowledge I had acquired about language and frameworks. I even wrote good code for embedded devices.
What I believe contributed for my lack of knowledge on design patterns:
- The companies I worked for never really understood the concept so they could spread it.
- Lack of initiative to work and contribute to important open source projects.
- Bad luck. I read a lot of books, should have gotten to a SOLID book.
- Lack of engagement on coding communities in general, like participating of webinars, conferences, etc. My environment was never tech friendly, Brazil is a little late when it comes to tech.
- Ignorance in general, when you don't know that you're missing something, it's hard to realize it.
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Marc Clifton wrote: who the heck uses log4net anymore???
What is your preferred logger these days then? It's probably been a decade since I've looked, and log4net filled 100% of my needs at the time and since (an idiot friendly way to barf into a textfile).
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--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: What is your preferred logger these days then?
Granted, log4net is very cool, and one could probably write a plugin (if it doesn't already exist) to log to PapertrailApp. I use that as my primary logging tool (nothing sensitive/secure is being sent to it of course) and the site's filtering features.
That said, since I have the luxury of using my own code base for several projects, which utilizes a pub/sub architecture for messaging between objects, all messages can be logged, exceptions (as a final fallback) are handled by the pub/sub and logged, and I frequently log what Linq2SQL emits (again sanitized.)
The logger is a service, I can replace it with a console logger or whatever (including emailing me exceptions only) so it's a pretty flexible setup.
Marc
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Papertrail looks interesting.
Although "simple setup" linking to a screenshot of documentation that I couldn't find in 5 minutes of poking around on their site has burned most of my opening enthusiasm.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: has burned most of my opening enthusiasm.
There's also some better ones out there now - better in that they look like they have more advanced filter/search features. Google "papertrail vs" and let it autocomplete.
And if it helps, my article on PapertrailApp.
Marc
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Thanks for the pointer.
Something I'll keep in mind if/when I start another greenfield project.
While the concern about off premise data's real; but my employer mostly does solutions using Azure or AWS depending on if the customer wants the ASP.net or a Penguin Stack for their backend; so that ship's largely sailed for most of what I do.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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PapertrailApp might work great but that assumes an extraordinarily large amount of things that are, in my opinion, not true for most organizations. The biggest assumption is that the organization wants any of their information, logs or not, going to the cloud. There is a lot of data that should never leave a DMZ. The second is that there is a case for aggregating all of that data together. Depending on the organizations needs, much of what PapertrailApp will do is just straight overkill.
Loggers like log4net and nlog are simple, easy to configure loggers that make rapidly building an application with some tracking and logging quick and easy. I am not saying PapertrailApp wouldn't do the trick but don't hit a tiny nail with a sledge hammer, it never ends well.
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