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After some recent reading, I am gravitating to Titan being a far better colonization bid. They are about equally as hostile but at least Titan has rivers of hydrocarbons on its surface. That means even if catastrophe strikes, you could still be able to light a fire to keep warm with methane from a nearby stream.
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Methane? I'll bring my own anyway. 
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Let's do both! And get the asteroid mines up and running for the resources we need to build the solar energy transfer stations, orbital biodomes, and space-based manufacturing stations.
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One big problem with a moon base, we are too late. If we were going to do it we should have done it before 1999. 
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Forogar wrote: I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?
I think I have a plot of land on the moon that you may be interested in
Lunar Embassy[^]
Seriously again; Mars sounds nice but is technically not very efficient. We'd also be unprepared for having two different roads for our genes - as one set would evolve on earth and reward things that are beneficial on earth, the other would start to adapt to Mars.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: We'd also be unprepared for having two different roads for our genes - as one set would evolve on earth and reward things that are beneficial on earth, the other would start to adapt to Mars.
I thought it was already like that... men are from Mars and women from Venus  
M.D.V. 
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Neither. Figure out how to live on this planet first without destroying it.
The reason for that is actually a simple one -- any Mars or Moon base would be 100% reliant on shipments from earth -- the ability to have a self-sustaining colony in a hard radiation vacuum or near vacuum environment simply doesn't exist yet -- and the idea of creating such a colony, relying on a planet that is potentially heading towards suicide, well, that's just stupid.
Solving those self-sustaining issues here, on this planet, first, seems a lot more logical, especially since we still have a cushy environment that doesn't have the problems that Mars/Moon has.
Marc
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100% reliant on shipments from Earth? That's not even close to true, for the moon at least. There are billions of tonnes of water ice as asteroids. A drone with some simple dirty reactors could use some of that water as reaction mass simply by heating it to steam in a hole - and the hole could be dug with the reactor on low.
Once you have ample water ice orbiting the sun near the Earth the whole game changes. You can use it for reaction mass. You can crack it to oxygen and hydrogen with a platinum catalyst and UV radiation from the sun (pretty strong out there). That gives you ample thrust and reaction mass, plenty of air and water, ablative shielding, ice shielding for larger reactors and surplus hydrogen that's sure to be useful for something.
Start mining metals on the moon instead of hauling them up out of the Earth's gravity well and it won't be long before you are in a position to build spaceships like battleships instead of soda cans. Not to mention a stronger military position since any missile would stagger slowly up out of the gravity well on an extremely predictable arc, unable to dodge if you throw rocks at it and with several days notice.
By contrast, if you were really annoyed, a 50 tonne rock would be an extinction event for the groundhogs. Who knows, maybe that's what happened 65 million years ago.
PeterW
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Mars: A great place to raise your kids! In fact, it's not too warm and there's nobody to meddle with them.
A working moonbase would be a more practical place to start though.
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Around 30 people have each brought in a dish of some description that we all share for lunch. We have Indian, Philippine, Chinese, Japanese, American and I brought a cake. From Ralphs. Which no one has touched yet. Meh!
Nice thing to do but no one wants to eat anything I can cook!
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Maybe you have a bad reputation? 
There used to be a lady where I work that was known among other ladies for not washing her hands when going to the toilet; 1 or 2! And to no ones surprise, the women in the office would not touch her food. She supposedly would moonlight baking wedding type cakes for special occasions. Most of the time her pot lot offerings went untouched.
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You should have taken off the Ralphs sticker.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: From Ralphs. Which no one has touched
Given all those other choices, I wouldn't touch it either.
Actually, given none of those other choices, I still wouldn't touch it.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: Actually, given none of those other choices, I still wouldn't touch it.
Turns out it was the tastiest thing on offer. 
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I've just bought the book ng-book - The Complete Guide to Angular 4[^], and have been working through the chapters and examples. Unfortunately, the further I get into the book, the more the quality declines, with erroneous and or incomplete code examples.
Now I have been able to debug and get running all examples without having to download the example code, until now. Now that I have cloned that code, I see just how crap it is, and how rushed a small effort it must have been to get that ready for the book. Where the book teaches you how to neatly factor you app into several components, template, and sometimes styling files, in my cloned example code, each application has all code crammed into one app.ts file! Just that is alone bad practice, then much less readable and understandable than if the author coded like he tells us to code.
I am now stuck on one problem I can't debug myself, and the only recourse I have (except to hire someone on Fiverr) is a sh*tty single channel, no threading, conversation on Gitter, the star of today's collaboration networking tools.
I think I read somewhere that the book and code started out open source, and that seems true because the book is fast becoming the same quality of most open source documentation: crap.
Has or is anyone else worked through this book, and what is your opinion, and maybe a suggestion of a not-official forum or something I can use to discuss specific examples and pieces of code from this bound volume of toilet paper?
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I love Angular 2+ in all its behemothness, very much because I like TypeScript. I looked at the vue page, but one thing that put me off was it calling Angular's syntax complex. Angular hardly has much syntax itself and having worked through just one tiny sample of most common elements, like inputs, outputs, and repeating elements I don't see any complexity.
Then, what is vue's reach? How many overall vue projects are there vs. Angular projects? To be a capable web dev I'd have to learn vue in addition to Angular, so I might as well learn Angular properly first. Then when I'm proficient, I might take a look at vue as an additional skill, depending on where it is in say 6 months.
"'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself."
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That's a plausible answer if you are looking for work or are working as a freelancer I guess.
I'm in a position that I can experiment a bit luckily, but you are probably right in that Vue still needs ripening 
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I'm employed full time and still find it plausible.
"'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself."
—Aleister Crowley
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Seems plausible to me 
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"'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself."
—Aleister Crowley
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From the marketing info at the book's link you provided Stop wasting your time wrestling with incomplete and confusing tutorials.
Were they talking about themselves?
EDIT
Oh, I see. You need to upgrade to the Team License.
It's only $499 
Site says: List Price: $699/yr
Price: $499/yr
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Yes, you are correct. Although, except for a small bug here or there, I had gotten on well with the book, which cost about $26 or something, and was looking forward to where we moved onto bigger apps. I was not looking forward to bigger and more frequent elephant ups.
"'Do what thou wilt...' is to bid Stars to shine, Vines to bear grapes, Water to seek its level; man is the only being in Nature that has striven to set himself at odds with himself."
—Aleister Crowley
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Hi Brady, thanks for that heads-up; I might have bought that book.
I do note the authors say:Quote: What if I don't like it?
If you're unhappy with the book or content, just reach out to us and we'll give you a full refund. There's no risk.
cheers, Bill
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