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Nish Nishant wrote: Tough days lie ahead of you.
In the olden days, they would lock people up in the sanitarium if they interviewed themselves, let alone negotiated salary with themselves. Just saying... 
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Nish Nishant wrote: it'll be tough to negotiate a salary with yourself
I don't know.. the US congress does this all the time, and they don't seem to have any problems with it. Oddly enough, they get every raise they ask for 
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If you really want something done, you better do it yourself.
q.e.d.
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CodeWraith wrote: do it yourself.
Well, maybe . . . but in my opinion, it's still better to have a girlfriend or wife or both.
Jes' sayin'
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If you can afford the price for that service...
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Personally I would try to apply, just to check if the recruiter will catch up on his mistake.
I went from hating recruiters, to loathing them 
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Just read this
I considered going for MS Certs a while back. At that time it seemed like the opinions were split on whether or not certs had any real value.
So, for those who have gotten MS Certs, do you think it was worth it? What benefits did you obtain from getting it? Would you do it again?
For those who chose not to, why not?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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I was going to many years ago until I realized that you could pay someone to sit them for you so they really had zero value or credibility.
Perhaps it's changed now.
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Up front confession: I have no certs
A former co-worker worked to get his MCSE and was proud of it.. but then it was constantly.. that class has expired, you have to recertify. Outside of costing a lot of money and time, he didn't see the value in it. The company we worked for didn't require it and there was no company incentive to get up-to-date classes.
Another co-worker took a job with a consulting firm that required him to get his DBA classes; they used that as leverage to request a higher rate for him. He passed the class because it was required, and he got a bonus for doing so, but I don't know that he ever used the knowledge gained.
So... it really depends on your circumstances.
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MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced
Jeremy Falcon
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Minesweeper Consultant / Solitaire Expert.
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Never bothered. But I did take some prep classes and those were informative.
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After over two decades of being in the industry of being hired and doing the hiring I learned this... if an employer gets too excited about certs than that employer doesn't know what they're doing. Certs are useful *only* to convey some competence to people that have no other way to gauge it by virtue of them not knowing what they're doing, they have money to pay for employees and that's all.
Last MS class I took was for SharePoint development a couple years ago. It was a joke. The books where nothing more than reference material I could find online and all the instructor did was read from the book. To top it off, they go over entry level concepts and pretend it's advanced stuff. It's more about money than anything else IMO. Nothing beats real world experience. Certs are like vitamin supplements, they're ok to buy, but don't stop eating food (experience).
Certificates expire. They're not hard to get, etc. I used to keep up with them and I don't now. What I find works better is a lot of work experience. If you have that, then certs are less important. If you have no experience, then they help. But even outside of that... a portfolio. Show the employer what you can do. A great portfolio goes much further than a cert that's really aimed at the lowest bars of the industry.
Jeremy Falcon
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Excellent. Thanks!
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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You're welcome.
Jeremy Falcon
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Did you get a job or you just whining about certificates.
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I could be worth $20 million dollars or a hobo and still think certs are stupid. Fact is, the most succeful people in the world dropped out of college and also tend to agree with that philosophy because by being spoonfed an education you limit yourself to that of the organization doing the spoon feeding.
But hey, that's just me.
Jeremy Falcon
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If that's what you need to hear. On a different note, that's the first time I've seen that emoji on here. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: act is, the most succeful people in the world dropped out of college
Really hoping (and working) for that 
Jeremy Falcon wrote: you limit yourself to that of the organization
Couldn't agree more, but spoon feeding does have its benefits, like actually learning the basics before going full three course. It makes a difference. Although I have not finished it, I learned some valuable concepts from my engineering course, which I would unlikely learn on my own.
But back to the subject, MS Certifications to me are mostly worthless. It never served me for anything, except taking space on my resume.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Fabio Franco wrote: Couldn't agree more, but spoon feeding does have its benefits, like actually learning the basics before going full three course. It makes a difference. Although I have not finished it, I learned some valuable concepts from my engineering course, which I would unlikely learn on my own.
You're absolutely correct sir. Courses aren't a bad thing, but they are the beginning of your education, not the end. So that's a good way to put it.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: hey are the beginning of your education, not the end.
Agreed, although I did start learning to program before taking a course 
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Certs are like cars with built in obsolescence.
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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I think about it too, but I see little merit in them. Some organizations think getting a certification is like getting a PhD; meaning you are an expert in the discipline.
I am looking to reinvent my career, if you get my drift  , but ponder how to market myself in technologies that I do not have a lot of experience in. And certs are all just marketing; they are not real hands on experience.
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