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CDP1802 wrote: you are getting more emotional
Where did I show any emotion? Quite telling that your response is making this personal.
CDP1802 wrote: And that's the point where you totally misunderstand me.
I hope so.
CDP1802 wrote: but I learned the politically correct way to deal with junk and the company that runs in your door to get rid of it
Which is what I suggested you do. Glad to see that you will be moving away from Microsoft so we don't have to see these rants anymore. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: so we don't have to see these rants anymore.
Who is 'we'? Are you talking of yourself in the third person now or is that the pluralis majestatis, your lordship?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: Who is 'we'?
I am guessing, and I could be wrong, that I am not the only one tired of the Microsoft whining.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: whining
So that's how you see it? Do you really think that I made that up? What would you tell some kid in Q&A when it came with a memory hog that nearly crashes the system? And do you really think they just forgot to fix such errors? Really. No, that's by design. One more reason to lay some more money on their table for the next version, in hope of finally getting something you can work with. At least until they overdo it a little and their customers began to run away.
Only once in the last ten years they got it right. That was when they ate some humble pie after Vista. Unfortunately that did not last for long and they behaved worse than ever before. Playing along with that looks like masochism to me and I don't want to be so dependant on anything they make that I have no other choice anymore.
Flipping burgers sounds good as long as it does mean that Mickeysoft does not try to run my life by telling me what I may work on, how I may do it, what tools I have to use, what conventions I have to follow, letting them censor my work before they graciously let me sell it in their (cr)app store. And the best thing: They let you pay for this service. They even fleece you better than our government, because they are quicker to take their cut before you have to pay taxes on what they left you as income.
The only thing that I don't understand is why you guys don't simply visit the nice but stern ladies in the institute for naughty boys once in a while and get off a little cheaper.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: So that's how you see it?
Yes and for 2 simple reasons.
1. Because you talk about Microsoft immaturely. Mickeysoft, (cr)app, etc. Once or twice is fine to show your are frustrated but when you use name-calling every time you refer to them, you can't be taken serious.
2. When someone simply points out that you have other options and/or that things could be worse you then attack them personally.
These 2 reasons remove all credibility.
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There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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1) Could it be that I would like to express that I don't take them seriously anymore? Pretending that they are harmless clowns keeps me from really getting angry.
2) No, I can live well with other opinions. Do as you think it's right. The only thing I don't buy is your often very sweet and innocent way to ask how someone can always think so bad of the poor dears. Simple answer: Because they are crooks. They would gladly take away a lolly from a politician, who in turn just took it from a baby. If they need to, they would send an army of the morally lowest lifeforms, known as lawyers. The only thing that counts is money. Hold it high enough and they will pretend to be your humblest servants, at least until they can grab the money. Make it too easy for them and they will make you their humblest servant. And still grab your money. I don't really think that you are so naive as you pretend to be, but it also makes me wonder why exactly you play such games.
For example, you could be a troll who tries to enrage people by deliberately playing it sweet and innocent. Didn't you always think I was getting angry?
Or how about strategically positioning your company's 'agents' in social media to calm down any 'unwanted situation' before it gets out of hand? Now don't come and tell me I'm paranoid again. I attended the meeting when my former bosses got some advice on how to deal with social media. Is that it? Are you on their payroll?
And if you really are just such a fanboi that you are really unable to see what you are defending, then I forgive you and leave you alone. Just don't call me a hater anymore, or paranoid or...
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: Could it be that I would like to express that I don't take them seriously anymore?
Of course.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: You do seem to have way more problems than many others so perhaps your feelings are just, who knows. Or perhaps you are doing something different than everyone else.
Sounds to me like he's [trying] to get real work done so it's undersanable he runs in to more of the faults in ms software than those just doing light office work or checking their email.
ms does have a long known history for not fixing bugs that real devs run into, instead trying to focus on the basic users - I mean fair enough as that's where most of their business is, but it does not mean when hard core devs get fed up [and point out the real faults that do exist] they are instantly "haters."
It's the same as the fanlemmings that buy production line 'sports cars' - you don't see pro drivers driving those off-the-rack models without a lot of complaints either do you? And even after they modify their cars they will still complain about shortcuts the manufacturers have made and never fixed. They drive their car hard, at the limit - and devs likewise drive their systems hard. Even the top gear team complained about the latest BMW, they always complain about aston, are they then 'haters'? Of course not, they are realists.
Problem is fanlemmings [like I guess you for ms] not only never see past your simplistic fantasy world to admit there really are issues and attack anyone that happens to point out any problems - real problems. The sort of person that would buy an Evo and never go over the speed limit let alone drive if it starts raining.
yes ms have good products, but they also have bugs and have often made stupid choices in those same products. Not a hater, a realist.
Sin tack
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So because I wonder why he hates Microsoft so much that makes me a fanlemming? Or because I don't have the same problems he does that I am not a "real" developer and not doing "real work"? That's tells me you are not rational enough to have this conversation. Have a good day.
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rational enough to tell the difference between someone reporting real issues and another replying that he's just being a hater.
dream on mate, you're the one that's lost the plot, big time.
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Lopatir wrote: rational enough to tell the difference between someone reporting real issues and another replying that he's just being a hater.
Clearly not. 
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You [CDP1802] and Mark and now Loptair add on a ton of assumptions to my simple remarks. That's on you.
what's that called when everybody is telling you the same thing and you still don't get it?
Sin tack
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Lopatir wrote: everybody
Delusions of grandeur? 
If the entire world says that you are a leprechaun, would they be right? 
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Sin tack
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Lopatir wrote:
Don't confuse me. 
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There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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did have snarky comment in mind but nah, it's all good. (no excuse but crap day at work - over it now.)
never like to end the day down, and was also getting a bit soapboxey.
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That sums it up quite well. For me, the operating system is a part of the computer, just like the processor or the hard disk. It's the best case if it simply does what it should and stays out of the way otherwise.
I don't want to adore it. I don't need updates every day. I don't hyperventilate over new features (which I quite often don't use anyway). And that's, from Microsoft's view, a problem. I'm not supposed to be too happy with that thing as it is. They want to usher me to their next grand vision, no matter how credible their ideas look after the minor errors of the last ten years. Vista was a mistake, Win 8 was a mistake and now the shady little tricks to get people to upgrade to Win 10 were just short of the ways criminals trick you into installing their malware on your computer.
If every company from which I ever bought something from would behave that way, I would feel like a masochist for putting up with their ideas. And no, Ryan, it's not ok just because others try to do the same. If they do, they are also on their way out. As things are now, I will not bet a single cent on Microsoft and that's the only thing in the world that may persuade them to think over their behavior. If you let them get away with it, they will only get worse.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: And no, Ryan, it's not ok just because others try to do the same.
I never said it was. From the beginning you have assumed that me telling you Microsoft is the best there is somehow means I defend what they do. It's like when someone says I hate one political candidate it must mean you support the other. You and Mark and now Loptair add on a ton of assumptions to my simple remarks. That's on you.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: I never said it was.
Sure you did. Something like 'how can you say something like that when all the others do just the same?'
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: 'how can you say something like that when all the others do just the same?'
No, I said something about why are you only upset at them when others do the same. I never justified it.
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There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Would you really think I'm a merry, happy - let's say Apple user?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: Would you really think I'm a merry, happy - let's say Apple user?
If you say you are. If you go back and read my OP, I try very hard not to make assumptions outside of what you say.
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No, I am not. For just the same reasons.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Leave me out of your trolling.
I, like CDP and many others, have genuine complaints about microsoft's behaviour, over the last ten years -- e.g. their lack of fixing problems that have been causing trouble for people for years, their addition of "features" that serve only to make simple things harder to do, and their intrusions into our property and personal data.
But I will not discuss such things with fanboi trolls like you, who either only ever use computers to write letters to their aging aunties, or blatantly lie about not having problems with windows, because intelligent discussion cannot be had with trolls. Or fanbois.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: have genuine complaints about microsoft's behaviour
And no one, that I have seen, has ever said otherwise. The fact that you think I have shows you are not rational on this subject and cannot carry a civilized conversation.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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