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Hi all,
Some questions:
1. Are you still using older versions of windows? if so... why?
2. Is still needed to upgrade first and then to perform a clean install to get win10 properly licensed?
3. Anyone with a Lenovo laptop that came licensed for windows 10 but with windows 7 installed that has upgraded the OS? how was the experience?
4. Is that true that the occupied space in the HDD is lower than the one used by Windows 7?
Thank you all!
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Joan M wrote: 1. Are you still using older versions of windows? if so... why?
Windows 10, like to stick to the latest OS (even if it isn't great).
Joan M wrote: 2. Is still needed to upgrade first and then to perform a clean install to get win10 properly licensed?
I did that in the past on my Dell Optiplex (desktop) which came with Windows 7 (and a license for Windows 8). I always prefer a clean install rather than an upgrade so I'd do it in any case.
Joan M wrote: 3. Anyone with a Lenovo laptop that came licensed for windows 10 but with windows 7 installed that has upgraded the OS? how was the experience?
I've got a couple of new(ish) Lenovo Thinkpads (E series) but they both came with Windows 10 pre-installed. I've re-installed my .NET one from scratch a couple of times, always been pretty quick and easy. The other one is on Ubuntu.
Joan M wrote: 4. Is that true that the occupied space in the HDD is lower than the one used by Windows 7?
It might be technically true, but you're not going to notice once you've got Visual Studio, Xamarin, Office, Adobe CC, JetBrains tools, SQL Server, etc installed.  My Lenovo's SSD is 512GB, I have about 1GB 60GB of files, all my development applications installed and have about 280GB free.
[Edit] 1GB of file! I wish, it's about 60GB
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Thank you Brent! 
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1) Never change a running system, especially not with Mickeysoft's bugware.
2) Who cares?
3) Sorry, no.
4) Probably. It's so busy talking to Redmond that it wastes no time to store anything locally.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Your paranoia is amusing. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Earning your 30 silvers again?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: Earning your 30 silvers again?
You think I get paid to call you paranoid? I'd be retired by now if that were true.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Now you got him afraid that you might stop calling him paranoid.
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1) Win7. It's fast, does everything I need, doesn't require me to adapt to a pointlessly new interface (they even changed the keyboard shortcuts, the id-10Ts), doesn't need an update a week that in 50% of the cases would brick my machine, doesn't have Ads integrated into system software, is more backward compatible (and I need it for reasons).
2) Clean installs everywhere, on Linux too. Updates break things way too often to be a viable solution.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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thank you den2k88!
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There are some very good third party shells for win 8 + to get rid of that sh*tty MSFT GUI.
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ClassicShell for example - I have it installed on my work PC because my colleague had to switch constantly between XP and (at the time) experimental Win7 [experimental in the sense that we were experimenting installing it on production machines, which are dedicated pieces of hardware that must run on production lines] and, while I reverted all the settings to win7 default as I got used to it, I still keep some settings tweaked.
Usually I avoid third party shells to keep the machine as light and with as few points of failure as possible. I remember the times of the dashboards for Win95 and the truckloads of trouble they caused...
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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den2k88 wrote: doesn't need an update a week
For 2 main reasons. It's been around much longer so it is more stable and they aren't focusing on keeping it updated.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Precisely. I hated the first times when every day there were updates - I started as a "Good User", keeping it updated. Except that it was a notebook and it bricked itself since it refused to turn off while intalling updates until battery failed and the system died.
Plus a couple of updates that forced me to jump through hoops in order to restore functionality or reinstalling from scratch... Now I reverted to the "Good Ways", aka "I will not install a single update if it doesn't solve a problem I have or adds a functionality I need and even in those cases I will wait at least a week before installing it".
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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I concur with what den2k88 said.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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1: only on phone (windows 8.1 phone cause the power that be decided not to upgrade my phone...)
2: I did an upgrade, haven't needed to do a clean install yet (mostly cause I'm to lazy  ), everything works so... (but I'm fully aware I'll probably have to do a clean install at some point)
3: nope sorry
4: didn't check but if it does, won't be by much.
Tom
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The Wookietab came with Win 10 and Android pre-installed as a dual boot: the hardware comes with only 64GB, but Windows plus Android takes "just" 20GB of that, including 5GB Android storage, so Win10 can fit in < 15GB.
But ... start adding VS, LibreOffice, Paintshop Pro, etc., and the space starts to add up.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Griff, what's the WiFi like on the win10 side on the Wookie ? , mine is good on Android and shite on Win10, it doesn't find any networks apart from my main home one - so is useless on the move
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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It's been fine everywhere I've taken it so far: it even worked on UK trains last week! (Though it dropped out each time the train stopped in a station, but I'd blame the train company for that one.)
I can't comment on the Android side, I hardly use it.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I think mine isn't setup correctly , it connects to my home router as long as I'm near to it, it doesn't connect upstairs ( no networks found ) and as for outside networks nah ( doesn't even see them ) I'm assuming Android and Windows share the same WiFi device so it can't be that at fault because Android works perfectly. Any ideas ?
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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On the android side, install this: WiFi Analyzer[^] and have a look at the signal strength / channel congestion.
There is a similar app for win 10: WiFi Analyzer[^] from a different author, I just installed it and it gives me similar numbers, so it's worth a look at your networks with that as well.
Do you have WiFi Sense turned on in WiFi Settings?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Just looked and it stated you must sign in using your Microsoft account to use WiFi sense , which I can't of course as I have no WiFi
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Not sure you need WiFi to sign in with your MS account - but when I did for the first time on the WookieTab it switched my login account to that and I now need to enter a password / PIN to exit sleep mode, which is annoying ...
Is there any difference in wifi signal strength between the Windows and Android apps I suggested?
What windows drivers are you using? Mine is a Hi12 (yours is a Hi10, I think?) and I'm using
Realtek RTL8723BS Wireless LAN 802.11n SDIO Network adapter, with the Realtek 11 Oct 16 driver, V 3008.42.914.2016
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I'm resetting the Windows side of the device at the moment so can't run the tests yet - will try when it completes, thanks for your time I'll report back
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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I've got the same adapter as you but the driver is different, 3008.31.401.2016 - dated 29-04-2016. If I try to update driver via Device Manager it says I have the latest installed
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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