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Way random question here, but did you used to live in the Seattle area, circa 2000? I used to work in a company with a Bill Woodruff who was supposed to move to Thailand (I believe... it was somewhere very Eastern).
Pretty crazy if you are him. Pretty crazy if not in any case, LOL.
FWIW I happened across your profile while reading a comment in an article about Sprache:
Sprache.Calc: building yet another expression evaluator[^]
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If the DEBUG compile time constant is not set, that won't do anything though?
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Hi Duncan,
In the "stock" VS2017 WinForm app I am using, both DEBUG and TRACE are checked in Project/Properties/Build. And, Console.WriteXXX does nothing.
Evidently, this is a "feature." On February 21, a VS Team Member wrote: [^]Quote: Thank you for your feedback! The Visual Studio team has determined that this issue will not be addressed in the upcoming release. We will continue to evaluate it for future releases. Please refer to the workaround posted above. Thank you for helping us build a better Visual Studio!
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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I've had a quick look at the sourcecode [^] and it appears that there is a registry key that (I kid you not) is called ConsoleSpewToDebugger - maybe try setting that?
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: registry key that (I kid you not) is called ConsoleSpewToDebugger
Wow, I can't afford the HazMat Suit necessary to mess with that one 
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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Basically, I never write WinForms apps. I write mostly console apps, and even when I need to use WinForms, I start with a console app anyway so I have a console for logging initialization problems and such.
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You are incorrect: this is an issue, an annoying disruption of long-standing behavior by VS. See my reply to Duncan Jones here for a link to a statement by a VS Team Member acknowledging the issue.
In VS WinForms (old, and new) there is a specific window named 'Output, and that's where the Console output goes when running in Debug mode ... unless you have changed the VS UI of that window, or the Project settings compiler directives, or, your code re-directs standard out.
I may be half-blind now, but I don't make these things uo
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
modified 23-Mar-17 15:34pm.
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Sol / Blóðtrú - Shrines And Temples[^]
And I'm back with a SOTW after a two week break! 
This week I've got a cooperation between Sol and Blóðtrú.
I've listened to this quite a lot on vacation, while going to sleep or when reading LOTR.
The lyrics start out with Ymir and Odin, but later I hear the names of the dwarfs from The Hobbit as well as Gandalf.
Not sure if old Norse mythology or Tolkien tribute...
Anyway, it's rather hypnotizing
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Who's on CCC duty? I'm missing my daily bout of confusion.
Slogans aren't solutions.
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It's @CDP1802 today...
...maybe he has a birthday hangover 
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It's been cancelled indefinitely as a mark of respect for the rest of us.
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Hello all,
The wife of my groomsman is thinking on create an internet shop for her products and yesterday she asked me for help and advice...
Some data:
1. She will have more or less 50 references.
2. She would like to send the goods by transport agencies.
3. She would like to be able to receive payments via PayPal and also via credit card.
4. She doesn't know programming but is clever and capable.
5. No international sales is foreseen.
What would you recommend?
1. Get this done by a professional and pay whatever it takes to get it done?
2. Use any free tool out there that would make it simple and easily maintainable?
3. Use a paid tool out there that would make it simple and easily maintainable?
I have PHP experience and I could help a little but not spend complete days in this.
In the internet I've seen prestashop, opencart, magento...
But I don't have any experience on that... before diving into this to find information and try to help her..., any hint from anyone that has walked that road before?
Of course, and as always, thank you very much! 
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Joan M wrote: 1. Get this done by a professional and pay whatever it takes to get it done?
This. The development is not the thing, you'd get that done. But the maintenance would kill your free time.
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Small tip: can't she open up a shop on e-bay? Or have a catalog site that ultimately refers to e-bay for the actual sales?
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Wix.com advertises for this.
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Yup. I wanted to check out the costs, compared to other private hire firms, of a people carrier from Heathrow to Woking. Most firms are more than happy to give a quote.
To get one from Uber, I not only have to sign up, which is not a problem, but I have to provide credit card information up front. This is very presumptive that I will choose their service. It's like Waitrose making me buy stuff before they give away a coffee!
They're almost like that King who stood in front of the tide. 
[edit]
I take it back, you can get a guesstimate without signing up, but it wasnt easy to find the link and I are good at googlies. Now I have decide if it's worth it.
[Spoiler: Not really, even for four]
veni bibi saltavi
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It's only about £40 with any of our local firms. Er, well that was almost three years ago.
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I finally got a price of £35 - £40 from Uber for a large car / people carrier, wot we need due to luggage, and it sounds like it might be a better idea as I can just ping them once the goils land.
veni bibi saltavi
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One guy with a knife out of 8.6 million?
I'd say your friend's still pretty safe
- odds of meeting the guy are up there with winning a national lottery. (Tell him to quickly buy a ticket.)
Problem with the news today, too much of it, seemingly more on s slow day.
... ohh look, Trump just blew his nose, lets assemble a large panel of experts and discuss his odds of surviving ..., wait, Rihanna seen shopping ... wait, a duck just crossed the road near central park ...
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sure - that wasn't the actual intent of the post though, just a 'by-thought' - we can talk about 'odds', but that wont help the families of the ?5 dead (so far) who expected their loved ones to come home tonight
... I guess posting on forums wont help them much either 
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Garth J Lancaster wrote: posting on forums wont help them much either
No, but we all appreciate that you took the time to post your good wishes.
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Whilst we're at it, let's offer our prayers to all the people in London who got run over by cars, who slipped in the bath and died, who died of some disease or other, who died of old age, who sneezed too hard and killed passersby with their dentures, who took overdoses of drugs and died, who were murdered by people who are criminals, not ter'r'rists, etc, etc, etc.
Then let's approve spending another handful of million quid on letting security forces spy on us, purportedly to protect us from the one nutter every few years with a knife, who's labelled as a ter'r'rist.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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