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This has to be the best 404 message I've ever seen. Check it out
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I dunno, I just moved along... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Actually, that is not true. According to Schrödinger, there may or may not BE a web page as long as you don't try to look at it!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Will there be a cat too?
Sin tack
the any key okay
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I had to paws and scratch my head as I was feline a bit confused about your cat comment.
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just don't start licking your ass...umed the ref to Schrödinger in the prev comment would be recalled
Sin tack
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What about the nuts... that it didn't seem to be so!
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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I always wondered: That poor cat, if it is killed, and if it makes a final cry of death but nobody hears it, was there then a cry?
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So this page only exists now, but will soon not exist again?
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Isn't that true for everything? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Those of you who understand Swedish will enjoy Tage Danielssons rant on likelihood (which in Swedish is called 'truthlikeness') - you can find it on On likelihood - Om sannolikhet (with english subtitles) - YouTube[^]. Some nuances are lost in the translation, though (such as the literal references to truth), but it is still worth watching.
"Now they have decided at last, and evidently reached the conclusion that what happened in Harrisburg hasn't happened, but that we, on the other hand, should institute much better safety measures so that it won't happen here as well".
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Not bad, but there are many better ones out there. If you cannot find them. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It didn't work for me; I got a 404 error.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Nah, they're minimally NSFW but I prefer the various QUOTH THE SERVER "404"[^] variants.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
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Hi everyone
And thanks in advance! I'm after advice from people who work in the real world as developers in programming and people who hire developers!!
I'm 28, from Dudley UK and want a career change! After looking into programming/coding online as I've always been into and around computers all my life I've decided this is the path I want to follow!
I've been to see all the local colleges and universities and I have a few options but I'm not sure on which way to go! I'm not scared of hard work in the slightest and I don't expect this to be easy but I don't want to waste my time and money on going down the wrong path!
I'm currently half way through " learn python the hard way" and I must say I'm really getting into it! I already have my level 2 in IT from school ( many years ago) I'm 4 weeks into a 15 week programming concepts course at a local college this will give me a part level 3 qualification!
I finish this in may I'm gonna do the Harvard CS50 next in may as I've herd it's really good and it's free!
Now I'm faced with some choices I either do my HNC and HND in computing and systems development then try to gain a job from there and consider topping it up to a degree afterwards time expectancy 4 - 6 years while trying to teach myself more coding at home! Building a git hub profile and doing as much as I can!
I did go to talk to one of the senior lectures at Wolverhampton uni and she told me that someone in my position may not want to consider a part time degree as they take so long and what employers want now will change in 6 years time! She advised me to go look into some professional courses and build my own portfolio to take to employers and she knew people in the industry without degrees that have done very well this way.
By pro courses i can only think she means coding boot camps! While they seem very good and promise job ready in 12 weeks to 6 months depending on how long you do the course over! I just don't wanna throw £4000 down the drain on something that doesn't hold any value to a potential employer. The reviews I've read seem to be really good or really bad! It would be great to hear from someone who has any experience with these!
Like I said before I'm not scared of hard work and long days I spend most of my spare time now trying to teach my self and it's going well but I feel that I'm coming to a point and not knowing which way to go!!
Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Il be out all day to il probably check back later on if anyone reply's!!
Thanks 😁👍
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Since you are relatively young if you do start studying I really recommend trying to get an internship or some part time while you study. Not only will that help you get a job but also help you tremendously. It can expose you to different parts of the business and help you narrow down what sort of work you wish to do as well as learn quicker.
My take on things is that on hands experience is what teaches you the quickest. As long as you got some decent knowledge of programming and general principles getting some real world problems and learning while solving them will help you learn quickly. I guess this is what boot camps try to solve. Would love to try one just to see if that holds true. 
I think this route works for web development or building desktop applications but if you are looking for a job that really requires the knowledge of a degree in computer science studying for one is probably the right thing.
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Member 11683251 wrote: getting some real world problems and learning while solving them
That is exactly what matters most.
Having a suitcase full of certificates is useless if you can't acheive that. Anyway there will be 10 million Chinese kids half your age with two suitcases full of shiny new certs anyway, it's a pissing contest you'll never win.
As a new entrant to the field just take a few courses that:
(1) matter to the path you want to take, plus,
(2) one or two that are 'relevant' - that means they have 'development' and 'windows 10' in the title ('microsoft' in the title extra bonus). Here look for on-line or if classroom 1 day or less courses that fit that spec - any longer is just bullshit.
Sin tack
the any key okay
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Are you currently working or are you in full-time education? If you are currently working, is there any chance that you could be given some relevant development work? Start with something relatively small, like a web site or something, and work upwards from that.
If you're not currently working, then a college course would be a good idea. An HND / HNC for example. Check out what other courses your local college offers and see which ones fit your needs.
I've heard good things about the Harvard CS50 as I know someone who is doing it, and rates it very highly.
What's important is that you have some basic knowledge that you can build on, and if you can couple this with some work based experience, even better.
Best of luck which ever way you choose
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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I am currently working but my full time job is a world away from software development I'm a service engineer working in horticulture!
The HNC/HND part time then possible degree route is what I think I may do it's just trying to get some real world experience in between as at the moment I can't afford to quit my job as I have a family to support !!
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Don't do it. It's hell. Really. Believe me. Why do you think I keep buying lottery tickets?
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Service engineer working in horticulture... is that code for clearing weeds from the cannabis crop?
Not sure of the details of your work, but lets say there are several "locations" you maintain.
Does the company you work for have any type of software to track which "locations" have been serviced?
Even if the company already has this tool, I suggest writing a Django app (as you are already learning Python) which you could use to track your servicing activities.
Work in phases.
First track where you have been, then expand the tool to include predictive behavior (i.e. have not been to location "X" in 5 weeks, time for preventative maintenance).
You could even have the app create reports on which "locations" are the most problematic - if you add info about what machinery / tools the sites have, you could do comparisons on problematic vs. tool type, etc.
As you already have knowledge of the horticulture service industry, you are in a great position to create a software tool like this - don't be discouraged if there already is an app that does this...
New apps (though sometimes not better) are always supplanting older ones. The trick is to make yours better.
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The main problem you will face is trying to get a job with a qualification but without experience. Many employers nowadays expect both, though how they expect you to gain the experience in the first place is something they never explain. Have a look round local employers and (dare I mention) recruitment agencies, to try and get an idea of what the current market is looking for. And, of course, that will all have changed by the time you get your qualification.
Don't believe the promises of the schools that advertise the aforementioned programming courses. They cannot guarantee you a job any more than they can guarantee that the sun will shine tomorrow (especially in Dudley ). You can probably learn just as quickly using any of the online free tutorials if you have a reasonable ability in programming.
But good luck anyway.
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First piece of advice: take a good look at the industry and take note of the technologies/languages/frameworks that are 1) popular, 2) used widely in the industry, 3) pay a decent salary, and 4) available within a commutable distance.
Big companies tend to need a degree (or relevant experience) but smaller companies are always looking for people. .NET and Java are very popular and we're bringing in developers from all over the world to fill vacancies. Neither technologies are going away any time soon either.
Niche (and usually more interesting stuff) is fun, but you'll find yourself wondering if you're going to have a job next week all the time. The pay can either be astronomical (rarely) or bottom of the barrel.
Whatever you get into keep your skills current. Nobody codes perfectly, there's always room to learn and improve.
I got my first software job (without a degree) by going to an interview with reams of my own printed out code and demos of what I could do. Don't be afraid to take a risk
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Sounds like good advice thank you!!
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