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I remember my first and only use of Norton...
I was about 15 at the time, so it's almost half my life ago.
Thought I'd install Norton as it was THE AV program to have.
As soon as it was installed it kept giving me pop-ups of all programs and processes that tried to do ANYTHING on my computer.
After clicking away about 100 pop-ups I decided to uninstall it right away.
Unfortunately, one does not simply uninstall Norton[^].
I started early in the evening (about 9PM) and it took me until about 4AM before I had it completely removed it from my computer... 
I'd probably do that a lot quicker now, but I wasn't as tech-savvy back in the day 
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Sander Rossel wrote: I remember my first and only use of Norton...I was about 15 at the time, so it's almost half my life ago.
Then it's a shame that you're not old enough to remember what a great and glorious thing the Norton Utilities were, before he sold the company to... some jerks; I know nor care not who.
Back in the DOS days, the Norton Utilities (which he originally wrote for his personal use, but later released as a product) were like a lifeboat in an ocean of commands that you had to type to achieve the same ends -- but which you could only type after God-knows how long of research into how it all worked, which was not so easy, back in the early days of the Interwebs.
I've always found it upsetting that his name has been so besmirched by the cretins who bought his work from him.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I have to agree, Peter Norton was highly capable. Unfortunately, as you said, the current Norton Utilities, can't hold a candle to the high quality of the old days.
Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.
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You have to give young Sander a break, the poor whipper snapper wasn't around in the hey day of DOS. Lotus 123 was also another great product at the time and wordperfect - no that was always crap.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Try this: [^].
Been a while since I actually came up with a solution on my ownsome I had not seen on CP or StackO'Flow. That does mean, of course, that you should treat the hack like the arrival of an unexpected package post-marked Chernobyl.
cheers, Bill
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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Probably it won't be easily found as not much of us try to wtite to the console... 
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You don't? I put quite a lot of stuff there, much easier than somehow reaching all the way up to the GUI from inside the bowels of the beast.
Of course that only applies when there even is a GUI, more than 90% of my projects are console projects in the first place
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Sorry, I was only trying to tell that the author has written wtite and not write on the subject.
I guess that my super-English and the lack of the joke icon has made it...
Anyway, he should improve the title. 
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Oh that. I completely missed it both times.
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Well, gosh, why should you leave helpful feedback on the content where it is posted ... when you can increase the static on the Lounge, and revel in someone else making a mistake typing ?
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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Oops Bill, I thought I was telling it to you at the beginning... and then I did not remember to post it again... 
My fault.
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Don't worry, I still love you.
cheers, Bill
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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I don't care what they say about you - I like your Dragon avatar.*
* My being born in a Dragon year doesn't have too much to do with that, I think
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Hi, Balboos, that avatar (photo by me, manipulated in Photohop) is the ground-level stucco/cement finial of a decorative stairway leading into the Dhamma Hall at Wat Buppharam in Chiang Mai.
Usually these stairway decorations are makara, a chimeric creature, a composite of creatures, often a mix of sea/river-land-air creatures. Usually the creature at the end of the makara will be some form of Naga (water serpent, Thai: phayanaak).
The style of this one does appear to be a Chinese dragon. Here's a photo (not by me) in context: [^]
While the origins of Wat Buppharam date to 1497CE, this decorative sculpture, and the building it connects to, are certainly from the modern era.
cheers, Bill
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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Way random question here, but did you used to live in the Seattle area, circa 2000? I used to work in a company with a Bill Woodruff who was supposed to move to Thailand (I believe... it was somewhere very Eastern).
Pretty crazy if you are him. Pretty crazy if not in any case, LOL.
FWIW I happened across your profile while reading a comment in an article about Sprache:
Sprache.Calc: building yet another expression evaluator[^]
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If the DEBUG compile time constant is not set, that won't do anything though?
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Hi Duncan,
In the "stock" VS2017 WinForm app I am using, both DEBUG and TRACE are checked in Project/Properties/Build. And, Console.WriteXXX does nothing.
Evidently, this is a "feature." On February 21, a VS Team Member wrote: [^]Quote: Thank you for your feedback! The Visual Studio team has determined that this issue will not be addressed in the upcoming release. We will continue to evaluate it for future releases. Please refer to the workaround posted above. Thank you for helping us build a better Visual Studio!
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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I've had a quick look at the sourcecode [^] and it appears that there is a registry key that (I kid you not) is called ConsoleSpewToDebugger - maybe try setting that?
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: registry key that (I kid you not) is called ConsoleSpewToDebugger
Wow, I can't afford the HazMat Suit necessary to mess with that one
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
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Basically, I never write WinForms apps. I write mostly console apps, and even when I need to use WinForms, I start with a console app anyway so I have a console for logging initialization problems and such.
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You are incorrect: this is an issue, an annoying disruption of long-standing behavior by VS. See my reply to Duncan Jones here for a link to a statement by a VS Team Member acknowledging the issue.
In VS WinForms (old, and new) there is a specific window named 'Output, and that's where the Console output goes when running in Debug mode ... unless you have changed the VS UI of that window, or the Project settings compiler directives, or, your code re-directs standard out.
I may be half-blind now, but I don't make these things uo
«When I consider my brief span of life, swallowed up in an eternity before and after, the little space I fill, and even can see, engulfed in the infinite immensity of spaces of which I am ignorant, and which know me not, I am frightened, and am astonished at being here rather than there; for there is no reason why here rather than there, now rather than then.» Blaise Pascal
modified 23-Mar-17 15:34pm.
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Sol / Blóðtrú - Shrines And Temples[^]
And I'm back with a SOTW after a two week break! 
This week I've got a cooperation between Sol and Blóðtrú.
I've listened to this quite a lot on vacation, while going to sleep or when reading LOTR.
The lyrics start out with Ymir and Odin, but later I hear the names of the dwarfs from The Hobbit as well as Gandalf.
Not sure if old Norse mythology or Tolkien tribute...
Anyway, it's rather hypnotizing
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