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I in general don't take a counter offer unless its a written contract etc.
Counter offer means, the company already knew that you had once decided to move on and when the situation becomes too fluid, they wont think twice to outsource your work.
But moving on to new company guarantees pay hike but uncertain environment.
Think on both offer, sleep on it and then act.
cheers,
Super
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Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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Indeed - why did it take you wanting to leave for them to make that offer? Would they have made it otherwise? Move on.
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It cost's them nothing to throw a title at you (perhaps they saw/heard about your wishlist), but is the tital true or the same {more] work with a new hat. You've intended you want to leave, with that in their minds will they allow you any real decision making power (i.e. the CMS)?
Their thoughts will be: 'What if he changes everything and leaves anyway?'
Typical response: 'he may recommend, but not make decisions without our approval.', which translates to 'good idea, we will consider that in our next senior meeting.' (i.e. 'no.')
Sin tack
the any key okay
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Something to consider...
I've seen companies counter an offer because they were caught off guard by the guy's 2 week notice, then, when they find a suitable replacement, they found a reason to terminate him.
Giving notice says to your employer "I'm not happy here so I'm leaving". If you take their counter and stay, they might then be thinking "What happens when he's no happy again, or some better offer comes around again". You're a liability now.
When you give notice, don't look back.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind.
Ya can't fix stupid.
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A counter-offer is only so they can keep you around until they find a replacement.
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Another option is to take the new job and counter the counter offer with being a "consultant" to help maintain the projects you worked on and eventually train someone to take over.
My brother tried this and ended up collecting two paychecks for almost two years.
Brent
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As a general principle any company that is practicing the black voodoo of outsourcing shall be left for whatever is still there.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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cp-andy wrote: If I stay with this company, lot of the current major software work is outsourced.
I'm not really sure what you'll be managing, then. Seems to me the outsourcers are going to have people to manage whatever projects your company throws at them.
That sounds like a significant chance of a dead-end path. Lump of salt, though, I can't think of many positions I'd want less than some sort of management thing.
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My experience is that it is hard to make the jump out of high paying development into management. Management will have a higher upside salary, but it is managing PEOPLE. Some folks are good at this. Some actually like it, but it is significantly different from a dev role. If this is your personality, the counter sounds like a good move.
Know your personality and know what you love to do.
I still miss full time dev, but as an entrepreneur running a company, I had to make the jump to 90% management.
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Move on to the new job. Trust me.
Everyones advice is right on about that.
There was ONE time where it kinda bit me. They asked me to stay, only promised exciting things, and reminded me I would lose my stock options.
I left, for a similar raise. And 6 months later (they were in talks when I left), the product I had just created for them, was packaged and sold for $5 million as a division. BTW, that group is now being sold for 45 Million. And has been profitable all the way.
That was probably the best case scenario. But honestly, I did the math. My stock options would have netted me only $120,000 before taxes. So, WOW.
But think about that. I was making more per year, every year...
When I look back, I am still good with leaving. Because I was TIRED of working on THAT technology, within that framework.
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I was just watching Frozen Planet, and you remind me of like this person that is stuck on this ship in the middle of the Antartic Ocean in the middle of a storm in the middle the winter, wondering whether you should stick it out with the Captain or just smile and say Adios! Sr Software Engineer with 35% pay hike gets my thumbs up.
Keep telling your story to others, and maybe it'll become advice you can share.
Remain Calm & Continue To Google
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Don't EVER accept a counter-offer once you have stated you intentions to leave. The company is going to give you what you want until they find your replacement and then you will be canned. I've seen this scenario happen to people time and time again. Do NOT do it!
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Am I too late? I wouldn't take the counter-offer. You decided to leave that company for a good reason and always best to leave on your own terms.
You can't worry about whether a route to management would be better in one job or another. As far as I can tell its never a simple progression from A to B to C. Luck and personality have a lot to do with whether you wind up in management or not. Unless or until it actually happens for you, just focus on being the best developer you can be. By all means prepare for being a manager - business studies & management courses perhaps. If you're honest are you really talking about being your own boss and/or earning more money? If so then there are probably better routes into management.
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Who would have thought that there were any home computers at all in 1969? At a bargain price just above 10000 $. I found this one[^] in a computer museum, and behold what it was intended to be used for!
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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There's no "Buy Now" button 
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Thereb was in 1969, but apparently nobody used it.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Nice find.
CDP1802 wrote: behold what it was intended to be used for
An extravagant gift according to Honeywell 316 - Wikipedia[^].
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Recipes. On a binary display and toggle switches for input. That's really extravagant. 
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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The base model allowed connecting a teletype.
This would have probably also worked with the kitchen model
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Have you ever seen something like that in action? Ten years later a friend got such a teletype for it's Netronics Elf II[^]. Loud like hell and if you were unlucky. you were stuck at 75 baud. Printing a single page may take some time at such a rate.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: Have you ever seen something like that in action?
I have used them (not as computer terminal but as ticker). Last time was around 1993.
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I used them to enter programs at school. Sure beat punched cards!
I still have an IMSAI and a couple of Xerox 820 II bare boards that I haven't finished in my closet.
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Hey, don't knock teletype!
It was the bee's knees, when it was all we had.
I never used it to print pages, though; more for chat -- it was kind of a precursor to e-mail, but with faster response times, in that I'd type something (which would type itself out almost instantly on the other end), then whoever was on the other end would type something in reply (which would be typed out on my machine immediately).
And it was an order of magnitude cheaper than the phone, for international communication.
Maybe that doesn't sound like much, now that we've got the Interwebs, but it was a huge leap, back in the day.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: It was the bee's knees,
More likely you had paper piling up to you knees.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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And it was a 16 bit machine! In 69!
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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