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lw@zi wrote: would have been graveyard.
I think I would have preferred that. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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... it seems yesterdays cumulative update corrupted my VS2017 installation. VS2015 doing OK for now ...
modified 19-Nov-18 21:01pm.
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After the update yesterday I got the first BSOD this morning that I've had since I had a problem with memory a couple of yeas ago.
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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Hardly a week since the full version of Visual Studio 2017 was first published, and 10 minutes ago I got a yellow flag in the top right corner, that informed me that there was an update for VS 2017! It installed uneventfully and now I'll go and kick its tires to see how it runs.
Rats! Every time there is any major update I have to do a fresh image of my systems drive. Nevertheless, I appreciate the update Microsoft! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
modified 14-Mar-17 18:05pm.
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I'm still on 13, seems to be the last solid version.
was considering 15 once it was stable, ... but no, 15's been left unfinished and abandoned in the rush to 17. (They don't even let you download 15 without jumping through hoops. maybe around Christmas might take a look at 17, but really not sure.
ms seem to have changed the way they operate,
previously they would finish a version before moving on,
these days ms seems to be releasing new versions just for the sake of getting a new version, and result is nothings finished, nothings stable. Hint's already started about vs-19, WTF WTF, 17 isn't even old enough to see any teeth yet.
w10 too is stupid, supposedly "10" is the last version, but now it's "editions" and "releases" so that's already bullshit, guess it's only the last because the idiot at the top ('nads' I call him) has run out of fingers to count.
w10 will also never be finished - just sure as hell of a lot more confusing: w10, w10 "anniversary", w10 release 1607, LTSB, insider ...
What current ms product is actually considered ready to use, what's finished enough to use in the real world for MC apps. (well OK office is sort of OK, but it's got the ms clown stuck up it's butt.)
WTF ms, from the outside you're like a blind drunk dog driving a road train the wrong way down a single lane dirt road.
Rumors trying a phone again, FFS nads, everything you've touched has turned to sh*t. And your solution: bring out even more sh*t, and if that don't work try polishing it and send it out again. nads you moron: 1. it's still sh*t, and 2. you can't polish sh*t, 3. and 2 sh*ts don't make perfume.
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lopati: loaming wrote: well OK office is sort of OK
 
Office gets worse and harder to use with every update, what with their "Hey, doing A was really easy, with just a right-click! Let's take that away and hide it behind three clicks and two annoying pop-ups that keep getting in the way!" corporate vision -- and bugs that were present in word 2 are still present in the latest version!
The only reason to "upgrade" from 2003 (and then only to 2010, skipping 2007) is if you use it with a touch screen, because finger-scrolling doesn't work right in 2003 (even though it was supposed to be working perfectly since 2000).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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So how is this new system going to work when it comes to updates, for people like me who prefer offline installers? Is there a single file you can download (once) to install, say, on top multiple instances in multiple VMs?
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Quote: offline installers
I honestly do not know. In my case the Visual Studio updater was invoked by VS itself and it downloaded and installed the update. You will have to see if you can download the install file for off-line updating.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Finally found the first signs of Microsoft in VS 2017...
In the new extension system you have to define at least one prerequisite to even compile your VSIX project... Even you have no such thing... And the prerequisite everyone have to declare is the core editor - even your extension never gets close to any editor or code...
I feel home already
And! You also have to set a version - while in the documentation Microsoft clearly recommends to use id only...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: you have to define at least one prerequisite to even compile your VSIX project
That's because the structure of the database where they store everything you do has it as a key.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: has it as a NEW AND UNNECESSARY key
FTFY
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: NEW AND UNNECESSARY
Isn't that their new corporate vision?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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For the European members here....
Since there is no 31st of April (31/4) do Europeans celebrate Pi Day today too?
Truth,
James
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No, we celebrate on the third day of month 14 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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But then you to get to celebrate e-day on the 27th of January (27/1)
Truth,
James
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Yes. We decorate the house, send cards, meet up with family.. that kind of stuff
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Or round it down to the 3rd of January.
Who decided it should be rounded to two decimal places, anyway?
Time is money, not pi.
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Do the Germans still do
31.IV ?
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No, it was cake day today.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I think Pi day in Europe is celebrated on 22 July.
/ravi
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 Good one.
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Someone brought in a very large apple pie. Mmmmm.....
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No but hey, if we can celebrate Halloween in the american way we can celebrate Pi Day too.
Also, yesterday may have been Pi Day, but today for me is far better: it's Pay Day.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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7 March: A great day. Everyone in the company i'm currently working for, was happy as they released a new Visual Studio. The great tool that is our daily bread and we are working with some years for now, the announced pretty cool features like the Xaml Edit and Continue ( my personal favorite ), continues testing, a new setup they even included the redgate tools for SQL devloper, that made our sql guy very happy because they can now show everyone why he need that licence Smile | . The IT said that we should not install it to break anything, i know they are right but who cares in the worst case we have to uninstall it.
9 March: I just tested the Xaml E-C feature and its very cool, it makes small changes much more easy. But after i installed i saw more then just the redgate tools installed on my machine like Incredibuild. The TSVN is now always active and shows its menus all the time even when no source control is installed. A bit annoying, both. As i forgot to check the Continues testing feature is just in the enterprise edition, not even for professionals. Good what ever, i have to switch back to my Resharper-DotCover.
10 March: I am at home and loading my Personal-Webpage where i present myself as an Freelancer. VS now talks to Chrome which is AWESOME and i have to admit i tried to bring VS and Chrome to some time ago but failed miserable. Unfortunately i soon understood that the feature is not fully ... lets say sophisticated, its very very laggy and missing some good tools to explore the DOM properly, yes i am aware of the VS DOM explorer ( Debug -> Windows -> Dom Explorer ) but its just not the same as the Chrome debugger. Also it pushes the Starttime of my asp.net application from 4-6 seconds to 10-15, thats just not worth it.
13 March - Today: I am completely pissed of. One of my C# open source projects used file Links a LOT to have an shared code base. The simply forgot! to implement "Add as Link" and when I have opened the project in VS17 i had to upgrade it, now its not even possible to load it in VS15 and i have to dig through the xproj file the revert the changes to work on it! not cool.
Later that same day - Now: my Personal Webpage is a mess. Every time i refresh my Webpage in Chrome, VS lags and Freezes, every time i restart the project it takes 20 seconds to start it, every time i click inside VS from chrome it lags, from my point of view it lags more then it works, even my whole pc is now lagging when debugging the asp project. This is unacceptable. And of course i have to submit that with that tiny button right next to the quick launch ... i did so and tried to record that behavior, but as i did so and started the integrated recording everything went worse! my pc was barley responding i just manged to click on the stop button, as i did so and the data was collected most of my pc froze for 30! minutes! i just let the collector do his thing and after that it was not even possible to SEE what i am Transmitting to MS! that's a NO GO! You want me to help you and collect EVERYTHING from my pc ok but then just let me see what i am giving to you!
For my opinion i will uninstall VS2017 tomorrow and wait for the SP 1. For now, VS is just another Release Candidate.
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