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megaadam6-Mar-17 3:26

megaadam

6-Mar-17 3:26

RyanDev wrote:
They have a grip on you.

Like that first crush.

... such stuff as dreams are made on

CDP18026-Mar-17 3:28

6-Mar-17 3:28

I am quite finished with them. I just wanted to show how quickly this kind of argument can backfire.

The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here

This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.

"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."

If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

ZurdoDev6-Mar-17 3:40

6-Mar-17 3:40

CDP1802 wrote:
I just wanted to show how quickly this kind of argument can backfire.

It was a simple cliche. If you want to take it as an absolute truth, go for it.

By the way, I upgraded 3 computers, 1 was a laptop, and not a single problem upgrading to the free win10. Therefore, look in the mirror and see the reason for your problems with win10. Wink | ;)

Actually, to be serious for a moment, most of the problems upgrading have been because of drivers. Just saying.

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

den2k886-Mar-17 3:48

den2k88

6-Mar-17 3:48

Damn hardware. We should virtualize everything. OS on cloud, who'd think of it? Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.

CDP18026-Mar-17 3:51

6-Mar-17 3:51

RyanDev wrote:
look in the mirror and see the reason for your problems with win10.

Now that's true. I don't want them to snoop around on my hard drive and also don't want them to tell me what we are going to do with the computer at what time. And yes, they can also keep their 'crap store' and all the other little thingies.

Short: I don't want to be treated like a muggle, no stuff for muggles and no changes which make room for stuff for muggles. They want idiots for customers and that's what they are going to get in the long run.

ZurdoDev6-Mar-17 3:53

6-Mar-17 3:53

I can see this is very personal to you. I'm sorry you feel that way.

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

CDP18026-Mar-17 3:59

6-Mar-17 3:59

No. They keep waving their hands and saying 'You are not the customer we are looking for!' and I simply agree.

ZurdoDev6-Mar-17 4:08

6-Mar-17 4:08

CDP1802 wrote:
You are not the customer we are looking for!' and I simply agree.

I guess I am the "idiot" customer because I don't have problems with them.

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

CDP18026-Mar-17 4:12

6-Mar-17 4:12

Just indications, at least that kind of proof would not hold up in court.

ZurdoDev6-Mar-17 4:26

6-Mar-17 4:26

And since you have had problems with their software, that makes you the non-idiot.

So very clear and rational. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

CDP18026-Mar-17 4:37

6-Mar-17 4:37

RyanDev wrote:
And since you have had problems with their software, that makes you the non-idiot.So very clear and rational.

Nope. I did not say anything like that. I said that I do not want to be treated like a muggle. If that automatically makes you one, then so be it.

ZurdoDev6-Mar-17 4:41

6-Mar-17 4:41

You said, "They want idiots for customers and that's what they are going to get."

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

CDP18026-Mar-17 5:04

6-Mar-17 5:04

Yes. It's not so smart to play along with 'take it or leave it'. They just will include more and more great ideas into that deal. There is really only one option: Leave it and let them think about what they might have done wrong.

It already worked with Weight, and that's exactly why they went a little overboard with the forced updates to Win 10. They obviously have not learned it yet.

ZurdoDev6-Mar-17 5:12

6-Mar-17 5:12

CDP1802 wrote:
It's not so smart to play along with 'take it or leave it'

It seems to me that Software is the only thing (or one of a few things maybe) where people think they own it and everything about it. For example, you take your pants exactly as they come. You just deal with how they are. Same thing with your car. You don't complain that the GPS sends data for feedback. You don't complain that the steering is not exactly as you want it, you just deal with it. You buy a banana at the store and if there is a small bruise, you don't take it back. You just deal with it. You "take it" with nearly everything in life. But software seems to get people near violent.

I just don't understand that kind of thinking.

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

CDP18026-Mar-17 5:39

6-Mar-17 5:39

RyanDev wrote:
It seems to me that Software is the only thing (or one of a few things maybe) where people think they own it and everything about it. For example, you take your pants exactly as they come. You just deal with how they are. Same thing with your car. You don't complain that the GPS sends data for feedback. You don't complain that the steering is not exactly as you want it, you just deal with it. You buy a banana at the store and if there is a small bruise, you don't take it back.

No. That's utter BS. I leave products I don't like and will not pay one cent for something I don't want. If there are alternatives, fine. If not, then let's forget the whole thing, Just keep your junk.

If Mickeysoft (and obviously their fanbois) think that there are no alternatives and that they get away with everything they like, then it's high time to teach them otherwise.

RyanDev wrote:
It seems to me that Software is the only thing (or one of a few things maybe) where people think they own it and everything about it.

And again you saddle up the horse from the wrong side. I indeed own all those things once I bought then and can use them as I see fit. Software is the only thing everyone wants to disown me of, even that which I write myself.

ZurdoDev6-Mar-17 5:50

6-Mar-17 5:50

CDP1802 wrote:
even that which I write myself.

You mean when you build it on top of someone else's hard work? Laugh | :laugh:

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

Mark_Wallace6-Mar-17 10:56

Mark_Wallace

6-Mar-17 10:56

CDP1802 wrote:
They want idiots for customers and that's what they are going to get in the long run.

Amen, Brother. I couldn't have said it better myself*.

Apple and android are trying to make their customers smarter, which is the exact opposite -- and guess where the profits are always made.

* Given how I manage to play with the English language, that's a hell of a compliment!

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Mark_Wallace6-Mar-17 11:08

Mark_Wallace

6-Mar-17 11:08

You're preaching to the converted; ryandev knows that windows has turned to cr@p -- but he still makes the majority of his income from the wu mao he gets from promoting them in places like CP.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

MarkTJohnson6-Mar-17 3:47

MarkTJohnson

6-Mar-17 3:47

They were just thinking, "How do we maximize uptime?"

ZurdoDev6-Mar-17 3:47

6-Mar-17 3:47

That's one way to do it. Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

Mark_Wallace6-Mar-17 11:02

Mark_Wallace

6-Mar-17 11:02

I have to just add here that there are few things I enjoy more than watching win server 2012 R2 installation desperately trying to automatically update an air-gapped server.

Yes, you can turn off automatic updates, but it still begs -- and whenever you update from a Pope-blessed, Hellfire-purified memory stick, it begs and pleads to be switched back on again.

I never knew I had any sadism in me, until windows turned to cr@p.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

den2k886-Mar-17 3:47

den2k88

6-Mar-17 3:47

It's 6 years I'm away from any Linux distro, first by necessity (I was in a place with no Internet and a brand new laptop nor the installation discs) then because with win7 I haven't felt the need of Linux. My experience with linux comprise Mandrake 8.1 and 9, Debian 4, 5 and 6, Slackware 10 and 11, Suse notSureWhich it hink 9, Red Hat 8, a bunch of Ubuntu and several others I forgot.

In each and every of these versions, with three different computers I had something refusing to work - and I'm perfectly capable of recompiling a kernel and hacking my way through the configuration files. At first it was X11 which refused to start, then I couldn't activate the HyperThreading and insert a CD-ROM - it kernel panicked, then other problems I forgot, Ubuntu supported a lot more drivers than Debian but a lot less developing tools and merging package repository ended up with an unusable unstable system.

Even with a lot of practice and knowledge there wasn't anything more than the bare minimum, held together by terrible GUI apparently developed by schizophrenics sociopaths. Hardware is barely supported, printing is hellish, 3D acceleration worked 1 time out of 10 (meaning no support for old games on VMWare). Every FLOSS software is incomplete and incompatible with each other, requiring chains of dozens of softwares to have something done.

I enjoyed my time with Linux, but it is really way too much trouble. Would I host a server on Linux? probably yes, once set it's as stable as stable can be. Would I use it on my workstation? As of now, not. Until MS will mangle Windows enough that it will become more costly and tiring than Linux (and it's going very fast in that direction) I won't.

ZurdoDev6-Mar-17 3:50