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I never said money is evil or trading useless. I said making money out of money is evil. I said "trader", as a job = someone who plays (or let computers play for him) on market places with billions, for the sole sake of making more billions, is evil and serves no purposes : A trader buys dollars in US, then sell euros in Europe, then buy yens in Japan, then sell it in dollars in the US, and makes hundred of millions thanks to exchange rates in one day. What is the added value of all this ?
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I'm not playing this online kiddie game on CP anymore.
Jeremy Falcon
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Rage wrote: ...makes hundred of millions thanks to exchange rates in one day. What is the added value of all this ?
If these guys were doing it to horde money then I would agree with you. But let me ask you something about these so-called money-changers...
Do these people eat food? Well then they have to spend money on food, which someone worked to produce, and someone else worked to sell.
Do these people wear clothes? Ooh then they have to spend money on those clothes, which someone worked to manufacture, and someone else worked to sell.
What about things like cars, boats, houses, jewelry, etc.? Yeah. Exactly.
Just because a large amount of money is earned by someone who doesn't physically "produce" anything, it doesn't mean they provide no value. The fact is that the value they provide is in the redistribution of the money they earn. A single millionaire, by just spending his/her money, could be the reason why several businesses are able to remain in business, keeping dozens of people employed. Why then do you care how they make their money if they are doing it legally?
Sorry to keep this game going but I couldn't resist the bait. 
You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't quit.
You're welcome.
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TonyManso wrote: Why then do you care how they make their money if they are doing it legally?
This is purely philosophical on my side, so I have no solid arguments or reasons about why I care, but fact is that it bothers me. I have nothing against people making money, I simply have an ethic problem with jobs which have no other added value in society than making money BASED ON NOTHING ELSE THAN HANDLING MONEY. And do not get me started on legal aspects... As for redistribution, nah[^].
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TonyManso wrote: Sorry to keep this game going but I couldn't resist the bait.
Learn to resist it man. I know it's rough... A successful investor has to get rid of the over emotional reactions that surround money. And while we may not be rich yet, it's part of the path to it.
It's like air, people only freak out about it when they don't have it.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Without it, we have no sense of worth for money, products, goods, services, etc. You wouldn't have an idea of how much salary to make to suit your skill-set, and the list can go on and on and on
Not really, because the values applied to goods companies, service companies, and everything else have nothing to do with the real world, or with the needs and desires of anyone except those making phantom money from the exchanges.
Is mcdonalds worth n because its trading value is x, or is it a viable business because of its cash flow? The two are completely unrelated.
If the mcdonalds share price dropped enough, the company would close, even though it makes astronomical profits.
Anyone who wants to understand the basics of the stock exchange should look into its history, and why it started -- i.e. the Dutch tulip insanity.
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Fair enough on reading the history about it. But, until I read a post that shows the poster actually understand economics, I'm not gonna bother getting into yet another online debate with people lacking experience in the topic they're debating.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'm in the US and was with FXCM.
I liked FXCM for a little bit, but after numerous interactions with my "Account manager", I just got a bad feeling that I should jump ship and find another broker. I am currently using Forex.com (Gain Capital) and so far they have been very good to me. Oanda is good too, if you don't mind the occasional huge spreads and slippage when the market goes a little crazy.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: What kind of algos are you in to?
As far as algos, I am currently using a technique similar to dollar cost averaging, where I'll buy (for example eurusd), and continue to keep buying over time as I can get better and better pricing. Eventually, when my net profit is positive, I begin a trailing stop on all trades. I also have been known to do somewhat high frequency scalping when the broker allows it.
You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't quit.
You're welcome.
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TonyManso wrote: I am currently using Forex.com (Gain Capital)
Then can you tell me why they (in MT4 at least) label their symbols with "pro" at the end? To make things worse, in MT4, I see currencies such as EURUSD and EURUSDpro. The former seems to be readonly as I can't place an order with it - in a demo account. And both the pro and non-pro version have different monthly data when I look at the charts. Their support hasn't been able to give me a straight non-BS answer to what the deal is with this.
TonyManso wrote: As far as algos, I am currently using a technique similar to dollar cost averaging, where I'll buy (for example eurusd), and continue to keep buying over time as I can get better and better pricing. Eventually, when my net profit is positive, I begin a trailing stop on all trades. I also have been known to do somewhat high frequency scalping when the broker allows it.
How is that working out for you? I'd be curious to know.
I've just learned to "read the market" so to speak. At first I lost a fair amount like everyone else. But now I'm to the point I can always either break even or turn a tiny profit, just going with pure tech analysis. But that just comes form doing it so much I just got used to it. No real system involved outside of risk management. But I'd be curious to read more on dollar cost averaging so i can get a better idea of what you mean.
Also, for your trailing stops... are you using MT4 or the active trader (or whatever they call it) for forex.com?
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Then can you tell me why they (in MT4 at least) label their symbols with "pro" at the end?
No idea. I have had demo and live accounts on many brokers over the years and most of them seem to have some kind of suffix appended to their symbols. On some brokers there were suffixes for 4-digit quotes, ECN, STP, and other such nonsense lol. I would just find the set that best suited my needs and went with that.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: How is that working out for you? I'd be curious to know.
It works very well as long as you have enough margin to hold many positions open once in a while. My Expert Advisor (EA) will automatically close the oldest trade if my free margin gets too low. But honestly, if that happens, it's either because gotten greedy or something catastrophic happened in the market.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Also, for your trailing stops... are you using MT4 or the active trader (or whatever they call it) for forex.com?
I have written a really cool trailing stop library in MT4 that manages my trades once they are placed, which has some pretty nifty features. With this strategy, for example, it won't start a trailing stop until I can LOCK at least a few pips profit when I get stopped out. Also, it tracks the profit across all trades, so that often times some trades will close with a loss, but the sum of all the closed trades will be profitable.
You can't win.
You can't break even.
You can't quit.
You're welcome.
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I've only been with FXCM, and the whole suffix thing is new to me then. Go figure. Would be interested to continue this conversation, but it seems your last message got flagged as spam. CP no likey.
Jeremy Falcon
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TonyManso wrote: Am I the only one who frequents CP that writes algos for financial markets?
No, once in a while the subject comes up; last post I remember about the subject was about reading headlines and weighing the sentiment.
Trading currencies has never been my thing; one can see the value of (all fiat) currencies go down over time. Who is going down fastest is mostly a bet on which central bank stimulates next.
Would be nice to see more articles on the subject. Would also be nice to see some data on following the algo's advice 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Trading currencies has never been my thing; one can see the value of (all fiat) currencies go down over time.
I totally agree, but in the climb down to zippo for the fiats, there are swings. Those swings you can still make a profit off of, while on the road to fiat doomsday.
Jeremy Falcon
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About three years ago, I gave it a try with a friend. It didn't go anywhere. All the algorithms failed massively on the historical data, so we gave up.
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I spent twelve years involved in this field, but I'm not allowed to tell you a damned thing about it.
What I can say is that not a single person who is involved in trading understands cr@p about how it all works.
Details cannot follow.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Unfortunately, the people I've worked for might not have even a single, functional logic gate in their brains, but they do have good lawyers.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Jeremy Falcon
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Strange feeling. I was googling trying to find some answers about technical problem, and third result was my own article on CP. 
I guess there is no answer, if I found what I already know (nope, I did not forgot) and maybe this is more than available in technical documentation.
No more Mister Nice Guy... >: |
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I have often had to google my own article because I forgot how to do something but vaguely remembered I had written about it 10 years ago.
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It is embarrassing to google something you can't remember how to do and find your self as the top hit due to a tip you forgot you wrote. 
Had it a few times... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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n.podbielski wrote: and third result was my own article on CP.
Been there, done that.
Marc
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Oh, for God's sake!
The answer is 42!
Get with the program!
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After seeing "La La Land" win the best picture I thought, "Wow! A musical wins? That's unusual."
Then reality crashed back and "Moonlight" actually won.
My question is, having watched one of the most uninteresting, pointless and boring movies of the last year, how are these decisions actually made? How on Earth can Moonlight win? The story was uninspired, uninteresting, had poor pacing and the acting wasn't even that great. There was no payoff at the end and no real message other than growing up can be a bit hard sometimes.
Don't get me wrong. Maybe it was OK for some people, there wasn't anything particularly bad (except the language) in it. My point isn't against this movie, it's just that there were many, many much better movies to choose from (such as Manchester by the Sea - which I didn't like much but was more interesting than Moonlight, or Arrival, which was deemed too intellectual for many people (only one small explosion and no death rays) but I though was great, lots of suspense and a strong secondary story, even La La Land was more interesting and really, really more entertaining even though I wouldn't watch it again any time soon).
My real question is, based on studying results for the last few years and incidents such as Harry Potter being snubbed so much (not just a little, but a lot), Meryl Streep not winning anything, and so on, who do you have to pay off, sleep with or blackmail to get the results you want in the Oscars?
Doesn't the whole system reek of corruption and politics? I'm not talking about any politicians or anything to do with any country's election system here; otherwise I would have posted this in the Soapbox.
I would be interested in other opinions - no US politics please.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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