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I do see the irony. It seems the client has been outmaneuvered.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Richard Deeming wrote: You don't expect customers to consider the consequences!It's your job to consider the consequences and tell them why their crazy idea won't work.It's their job to ignore you and do it anyway, and then blame you when it doesn't work
This is exactly what happened. Obviously, they haven't reached the blaming stage yet. Few key employees left the company due to this decision.
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cp-andy wrote: Few key employees left the company due to this decision.
I do not envy you. This does not sound like a good culture: "We f*** it you fix it".
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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There is only one criterion, "Is it cheaper in the short term?"
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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pwasser wrote: I'd love to know how they (your client) decided to go down this path without apparently considering all of the consequences.
They were looking for a quick win solution and obviously ignored what technical guys suggested i.e. to go open source CMS route rather than proprietary solution. Few left the company due to this decision. They were just looking at the outer picture.
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In a word: stupid.
There are loads of mature, well-supported CMS's available (as they have been for years). Many are extensible or open source too.
When they've finished writing their own CMS, I'd suggest they move onto writing their own ORM and then their own programming language.. why stop at a CMS? 
[Spoiler: It'll all end badly (and expensively) and they'll choose an off-the-shelf CMS]
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Sounds like they chose the wrong CMS. If customisation is a priority they should have gone with one that supports your own custom modules\plug-ins etc so that the in-house devs can take care of that rather than paying the CMS company to do these things.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: Sounds like they chose the wrong CMS.
Result of ignoring the suggestions made by in-house developers.
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Ahhhhhhh. Don't we all like that word "proprietary" 
cha-ching[^]
Bryian Tan
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Unfortunately, the decision to go with this CMS or that one is largely based on emotion in the sales and marketing group. So companies suffer. Mostly IT.
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Which CMS?
Customer Management System?
or
Content Management System?
or
???
I was thinking Content at first, but some of the replies made me settle on Customer.
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It's sounds like you're in a no-win situation. I'd consider dropping the client before things get ugly. Let someone deal with the stress and blame.
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Based on reading many of the threads...
Make a complete list of everything they need addressed, specifically that they are not thinking of.
Using the current pricing/quotes they are getting, calculate out the cost.
Build a spreadsheet.
Next, compare that cost to going back, and adding what was missing.
The problem with cheaper in the short run, is that the long run ALWAYS catches up.
We have a client who gladly made that move. They have been waiting OVER 1 YEAR on a change.
In the past, their slowest changes were a couple of months.
And, in the long run, it will cost more, but "do more". But this ultra slow timeframe to get
things done is crazy. It takes a MONTH just to get a quote on a change. LOL. Unless we provide the sourcecode for the change, we cannot get it in under 3 months. And even then 3 is typical!
The challenge you face is this: If they don't choose quickly, they will NEVER switch back/away because of not understanding sunk costs. The people who left were probably smart (consider that), and the company could possibly end up out of business. And yes, I have seen that happen.
I was 20 when I threw away a newly designed (and quite buggy) system, and rewrote it from scratch.
I did it on my own time, after hours, knowing it would be a huge success. It was. On every metric.
And in the end, I was ALMOST PUNISHED (certainly chided) for throwing away an "asset" they felt had value, and not starting with that. (I claimed I started with that as the wrong approach, and it helped me design a better approach. Luckily they bought it).
But it was obvious to me. When you find yourself in a whole. STOP DIGGING! LOL
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You're speculating without all the facts.
Estimates and conclusions will be worthless.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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Burzum - Tomhet[^]
Something a little different this week.
Burzum was among the people who initiated the "second wave of black metal" in Norway end 80's/early 90's.
He was in jail for arson and murdering a band member, but he got released a few years ago.
This guy is completely bonkers, but he sure knows how to make dark music.
This song is not black metal though, he made some dark ambient stuff as well.
Tomhet, meaning emptiness, is my favorite Burzum track and also my favorite dark ambient track.
Try not to fall asleep 
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definitely yawn material.
Here's one[^] I found while looking for something completely different
- not a jazz fan but it's now on my regualr playlist
Sin tack ear lol
Pressing the any key may be continuate
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Lopatir wrote: definitely yawn material.
That's how I like it sometimes 
Lopatir wrote: Here's one[^] I found
Awesome find!
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That's fantastic. New band material. Thanks for helping me start my day well.
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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Woooow, great work, and I nearly missed it because of my hectic week ...
I heard some of their tracks and I found them a bit over the top,
but this one is is really great. Perhaps Wardruna would fit the picture
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA38ffX1AHo)
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"A happening at which an element leads a star man to accept a toppled point. There's no turning back from here." (5,7)
Good luck - I've tried to make it a bit harder than my last few.
Andy B
modified 16-Feb-17 5:03am.
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Event Horizon?
One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.
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... is the correct answer, are you able to provide the full solution?
modified 16-Feb-17 5:17am.
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Well....
Happening : Event
Element: H
Star man to accept a toppled point : No idea
No turning back from here: Nothing can esscape the event horizon of a black hole.
So no, I don't know what the star man bit is about, or the toppled point. But event horizon just sprang out at me.
One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.
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So close, well done.
star man = Orion
Point = N toppled to give Z
Andy B
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