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Sander Rossel wrote: Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: but my bugs are of the best quality
Somehow I read "drugs" instead of "bugs"..
No you didn't, but Kornfeld just edited his post real quick.
And as far as quality goes, I can assure you the man stocks some pretty classy stuff. 
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Not only test data. Years ago I worked for a company that archived documents. The documents were archived on CDs by robots, along with a viewer to view them when needed. I had to add two menu items, one to activate the toolbar and one to make it disappear.
Instead of naming them 'Toolbar ein' and 'Toolbar aus', I named them 'Einbartool' and 'Ausbartool', just for fun. Then we got the news that the UN wanted to use the archiving system and they quickly needed the viewer translated to French. They literally ripped it out of my hands as soon a I had written my last line of code and sent it to a translator. A day later we got a mail with the question:
"Qu'est ce que un 'Einbartool'?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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That's awesome!  
I was particularly bad at French in high school, the language of Mordor... 
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Depends on the project, some I do and some I don't. Typically, for the projects I pull from production to dev/test frequently I don't. But if I'm in the early phases of a project that hasn't seen the light of day yet, I'm more inclined to do so. Also, depends on my mood... and planetary alignment.
Jeremy Falcon
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You know, the data that's on production (where developers test) 
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Oh, the data submitted by the users...
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We recently demonstrated a system to the manager of the primary user having put in test data where we labelled a module "Finance Management". This was a label on a view and we said straight away we could change it to anything he liked. Said manager spent the next 30 minutes explaining why the label was invalid.
He later wrote it up as a problem with the application.
Morale of the story, make you test data nonsense, not something close to reality, even a manager can't focus on nonsense for too long.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: even a manager can't focus on nonsense for too long.
OH! How I wish that were true!
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Ouch, been there once
My guess is that those people are so extremely incompetent, and know it, that whenever they see something new, like "Finance Management", they freak out.
Giving you a thirty minute speech on why the label is invalid is just to verify his own knowledge and position.
Writing it down as a problem makes him feel powerful.
Mycroft Holmes wrote: even a manager can't focus on nonsense for too long
Why do you think that?
Managers made nonsense their job!
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Managers have to be incompetent in order to be promoted out of harms way. I remember one, very senior manager asking me how to make a video player play. I suggested he should press the button with the word 'Play' on it. Blank response. He didn't even recognise sarcasm.
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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Mostly not. But recently I found test data for an application I was working on to mention occupation as terrorist. Don't know who created that but we were scared to deny anything to that particular user.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Generally I use a copy of the real data to make the testing more faithful.
But if I don't have real data and create a mockup, it has to be obvious that the test data is fake so I don't forget to exchange it for real data later, so yes hilarious it is. Or bacon ipsum[^] if I'm lazy.
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I've gotta use the pirate ipsum some day.
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I think we can, and in fact should, however never take it too far indeed.
Same for commenting code.
If it does come in production, always remember, someone signed of for going live at some point. As long as that person is not you, don't sweat it 
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It can be extremely noisome, particularly if you have to arrange presentations or training for customer representatives.
One "very funny gag" can cost hours of time, editing it out of screenshots, rebuilding databases, etc.
I would strongly suggest that it be avoided, if you want your customers (and other people in your company) to view you as a professional.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Or just never use a development database for demos.
A development database is going to have test data, probably even some invalid data to test certain scenarios.
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It's only after the contract is fulfilled that you have a production database, so the vast majority of demos are done with development databases, to describe to/train customers on "what you are going to get", and the docs guys can't wait until the product is installed and working customer-side to produce umpty-bagillion pages of documentation for it.
One aspect of professionalism is that of not giving your colleagues a sh1tty time for no good reason.
Another is that of not wasting money -- the guys who have to spend hours, days, and weeks making corrections to cover the little jokes have to be paid for their time.
Another is that of not putting the company in the position of being embarrassed in front of customers.
Could you remind me again what the plus side of the little jokes is?
If you want to joke, come to the Lounge; don't go to potentially customer-facing material.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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The downside to using actual data is that I have to know the domain I'm working in.
I recently did some work on something for a toxicology department. I'm no toxicologist, I just used stuff like "WATER" and mixed it with "FORMALDEHYDE" as that is something I saw in the docs. After that it was just "TEST" and "SUB OF TEST". Not something you want customers to see, but what else am I going to put there?
If someone wants a demo let them create a separate branch of the software that's sure to stay frozen with a database that has exactly the records you'd expect in the demo.
How the hell are you going to demo a constantly changing product anyway?
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Sander Rossel wrote: The downside to using actual data is that I have to know the domain I'm working in.
Just use values that don't sound like schoolboy jokes -- you don't have to be an expert to look at the customer's web-site and pick a few pointers from there, or to google "list of toxins".
References to Star Wars, LotR, Harry Potter, etc, not only make the company look foolish, but also make it a lot harder to explain what the program is doing -- whereas if you use something similar to what the customer will be using, they'll "get it" instantly -- so they have to be replaced in a mad panic, and/or edited out of screenshots.
That's not to mention that developers often use obscure fonts in UIs, so the correct font has to be found, then made to look exactly the same size as the other text in the screenshot (which could be at any zoom, not just font size), and then fuzzed/sharpened/blended in with its background the same as the other text (which was rendered by the GUI, not by the graphics tool that has to be used to fix it) -- it's a sh1tty, time-consuming task.
Put it this way: it's a damned sight harder and more stressful than spending five minutes on google, so reserve that treatment for people you hate, not for guys you don't know (but who will learn to hate you)Sander Rossel wrote: How the hell are you going to demo a constantly changing product anyway?
There is no "how", there's just a "you have to".
e.g:
0. If you use Agile, "you have to" show them what you've got at least once each sprint.
1. If you're working on a closed or high-secure system, they can demand to see what you're doing any time they want.
2. Even if !0 and !1, you can rest assured that you have colleagues who have to constantly "show and tell" with the customer.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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A company I worked for a while ago (who shall remain nameless) used to demo their product using standard demo data that was created by the test team. Unfortunately, some of the developers would often amend the demo data when testing their new features. Some of them would create customers such as Mr Erectile Tissue or Mrs Fanny Flaps and the like. You can imagine how this went down at demos to prospective clients
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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At least I make sure my test data isn't offensive
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I, on the other hand, was not quite so bright. 
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Whenever possible I try to use a copy of real production data for tests.
I learned that it is impossible to predict the absurdities you'll find in the _real_ data.
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