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Oh, what a joy!
One of our customers has had trouble registering their ms products, because:
- The e-mails sent from ms to the client are classified by the customer's filters as spam, so they're bounced.
- ms receives the bounced e-mails, and immediately classifies them as spam (their own e-mails, remember!)
- ms blocks the customer's e-mail account (which was created specifically for registering the products, and has never been, nor will ever be, used for any other purpose) as a spamming account.
- The customer cannot register their ms products!
The ms solution (after many, many hours of %$#@ing about on the phone): "Create a new account!" (which will, obviously, end with the same situation).
Well, Hell!
At least ms recognises spam when it receives it!
It just doesn't recognise it when it sends the damned stuff!
Upshot:
1. An extremely unhappy (Very Important at the international and governmental level) customer.
2. Point 1. is enough.
3. Point 1. is More Than enough.
WTF has happened to the company, since Gates left?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Are these bounce emails non-standard or something? Seems a stretch to label an email as spam when all it is trying to communicate is that an email address is unreachable...
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The customer can't change the way the e-mails are returned, because of high-level "we may not know entirely what we're talking about, but what we say goes" rules, but, essentially, they're returned because they don't meet stringent spam rules -- which, apparently, are not far off the mark, because ms blocks the same e-mails.
ms has to look at the cr@p and metadata it includes in their e-mails, because these aren't 14-year-old kiddies they're dealing with -- and because they block similar e-mails from 14-year-old kiddies!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: WTF has happened to the company, since Gates left?
They have no more gates so they keep hitting walls.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I don't make the rules for customers, but, apparently, their bounce rules are extremely tough to get past, so it's more like a "redo and try again" for genuine senders.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I've just been facing a total inability to activate an MSDN subscription for over a month.
Now at the stage of giving up and telling the company to check into a refund.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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It wouldn't be so bad if these things weren't so damned expensive -- expensive for "write once, sell millions" products, at least.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Swiss companies create first donkey milk chocolate bar[^]
Not really sure there was demand for this, but hey, now we have a supply.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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I had a camel milk chocolate bar a few weeks back. Someone brought it back from a trip to Dubai. Gave me the hump.
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I bray that it never catches on.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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I think they are milking it.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Now you're just being an ass.
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Okay, who was the jackass that thought of this?
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Donkey milk is so good on its own that it wouldn't need chocolate. But hey if I'd try it!
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I am wondering how well Windows 10 has done in the world of every day commerce!
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I bet Microsoft has. 
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Talked to a friend this weekend about that.. businesses have to be concerned about product compatibility with their existing tool set, and testing of that can take months. So, while their may be a 'new kid on the block', adoption of same will be slow.
Last year, we moved to Windows 7 and Windows Server 2012 as a corporation. I would expect the next big move to be Windows 10, but that is still years away.
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We develop an enterprise scale application (and we are Microsoft partners) and we put a 'no' stick on W10 for our customers IT...
However our customers are colleges and universities, so a large number (over 90%) of the users are not controllable (the students), but even so, our logs show less than 7% of the users are from W10 (while 30% and growing are from mobile)...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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The kind of business I work with is airgapped, with the exception of few "potential security breachpoints", and the idea that winio demands permanent, persistent, intrusive access from a foreign corporation is absolutely unsupportable.
i.e. it ain't gonna happen.
Numerous Linux (and linux-server/windows-client hybrid) trials are in progress. If they go well, a lot of others will use their findings, but none of the trials even consider winio as an option.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Please keep us informed on the OS you guys choose from your trials.
Over and out,
Ship Jumper
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23741 wrote: Over and out,
Roger, Over.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I work for one of the big ones and IT has not approved Windows 8/8.1 or 10 for use on employee workstation/laptop.
Obviously we need to test our software on those platforms, so we have a number of VMs and physical systems with Windows 8.1 and 10 in our labs.
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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I think the progress of migrating is slow to Windows 10, but it's only a matter of time before they will have no choice. Microsoft will not allow another XP type situation. Also vendors that claim they are certified to work on Windows platforms will eventually need to move to Windows 10 else they will lose their certification.
DrMaltz
"The Code King"
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