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You're a hiring manager. You are responsible for picking a candidate who will be in a long-term position with the company and who you know you will be able to mold/teach. Both candidates are friendly and willing to learn. But there's a slight challenge.
Candidate A is a fresh engineering graduate from a World Famous University and has no experience in Development.
Candidate B is having good experience of Development and knows all of the sorts, trees, and hashes and answer all of your questions quickly under pressure. He also writes extremely clean and readable code, follows SOLID principles, writes great unit tests and has good knowledge of Dev-Ops things. However, Candidate B has no engineering degree.
Both candidates are friendly and both seem like they have potential to learn.
Your firm uses modern development approach in either C# or Java and produces applications that must meet a efficiency standard.
Who do you hire and why? 
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B: Because.... B has good experience of Development and knows all of the sorts, trees, and hashes and answer all of your questions quickly under pressure. He also writes extremely clean and readable code, follows SOLID principles, writes great unit tests and has good knowledge of Dev-Ops things.
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Does my company have an HR department?
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Seriously? You want HR to have the final word on engineers?? 
I would prefer to have them as a first sieve...
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Certainly not, but they set the rules, even while not having a clue.
And territorial pissing is a strong force.
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Unfortunately that is all too true to be funny 
But then I'm working in a manufactuary - not even our IT has any clue about the needs of a software developer 
But, to answer the question:
Personally, I'd go with B due to his experience, assuming he can show some work to proof these claims. The company however would likely prefer A, because he's got a degree and, being inexperienced, requires less pay and less holidays! 
That said, I might also go with A if he is willing and able to learn the things B already knows, and possibly a few things more. And, if he is willing to stay with the company for long enough, that all the time learning skills will eventually pay off! The problem of course is that you can never be sure of that...
Sometimes I regret there is no such thing as an apprenticeship, nor a craftsmanship job title for software development. In theory, institutes like universities should teach students what they need for an actual job, but in practice they only really teach the most basic theoretical aspects. It takes years to actually learn the ropes after that, and a period of apprenticeship would be perfect for that purpose.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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What's their stance on Win10 and Apple products?
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The one with the big t*ts.
Because ... 
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There is a thing called man boobs.
You care to rephrase that answer?
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I'm being consistent[^]
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The graduate, so we can all laugh and point, then fire him after his trial period and go for candidate B instead
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B. They've proven they have ability far beyond anything taught in college. Consider very little of those 4 years are spent learning actual development and spent mostly on being "well-rounded."
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A as a manager, B as a developer.
Those who can do, do. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't neither do nor teach manage.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Seriously though, a man who can write good code should write code and not waste time in meetings and bureaucracy! You wouldn't want a freshly graduate surgeon while the hospital manager is one of the finest surgeons around, wouldn't you?
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Alternatively, for the developer who can't code, cuts corners and is an icon in his/her own mind, needs to go to as many meetings as possible. Preferably, re-assigned to test to suffer his misdeeds.
but I would hire B in a heartbeat. If I were manager, I would probably get him cheap (HR - no degree we can pay him less). Then, I'd give him/her big raises every year.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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You can't manage what you don't understand (even though a lot of people try - and fail) 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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You can manage what you do not understand. Just do it poorly and balme the subordinates! There is an old joke / saying which I will try to get from memory that goes
"Three NCOs are undergoing a test to become full Officers. The Lieutenant asks all three of them the same question
<You are on a harsh battlefiled under heavy enemy fire and your superior officer commands you to have a mile long trench ready in an hour. What would you do?>
The first answers <I tell my commanding officer that this is impossible>.
The second is a good soldier and answers <I immediately take the shovel and satrt digging sir!>
The third one answers <I call my Sergeant and order him to have that f*ing trench ready for yesterday morning or I will get them a*es for breakfast!>
The third one is the one who passes."
AFAIK it was a real test used un the British Navy to see if a candidate had the sense to understand that he was to be a commander and that he had to rely no longer on his own person but on the men he was responsible of, and that they were to be his resources from that moment on.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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den2k88 wrote: A as a manager,
Really? What for? To keep the meeting room occupied? Do you have a quota of pointy hairdos to meet? Wouldn't a radio be cheaper to hear a constant stream of buzzwords?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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For the reasons I explained: B can code, it's better if he codes. Managers are needed to save developer's time by doing the paperwork. A can be trained to be a good manager - actually every person capable of reading and writing can - while training another B starting from A requires much more time and can do much more harm.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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As much harm as (in the worst case) an unproductive self-important drone that interferes with everything and knows everything better?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Yes, because they often synergize. An idiot programmer comes up with a unusable component and the self-important drone forces it down the thorat of the others (been there...).
At least if the programmers have sense they will be able to work around the drone. Get a single idiot programmer in there and it's over.
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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den2k88 wrote: At least if the programmers have sense they will be able to work around the drone. Get a single idiot programmer in there and it's over.
Ah, so it comes down to the old concept. Create a diversion that keeps the pointy-hairs busy and gives them something to 'manage' while you do what you intended to do in the first place.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Precisely, and that is how most of the work is done in my company 
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Life could be so easy if we ever decided to get a pointy hairdo.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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