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Same here: put really often used stuff on the taskbar, put shortcuts to the other regularly used stuff in a number of folders ( customised, organised and sorted as wanted ) and use them as "toolbars" on the same taskbar.
End result: has been working really well since windows 98, one method works the same way for all versions since. Regardless of any UI changes they dream up.
As long as they stick to having a taskbar/toolbar its OK  . I would be really unhappy though if they did not  .
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I've been using a little gadget called KO Approach[^] for years, now.
It shows the content of folders as a menu, if you long-click, so I have folders down the side of my desktop for Network, Media, Graphics, Work, etc, populated with shortcuts and symlinks to stuff I need.
The only things certain about computer UIs are that one size does not fit all, and that baby-blocks are only fit for babies.
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I agree with your rant, but I miss hte "evoultion" part :groan:
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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The evolution was pretty linear:
Keyboard shortcuts --> shortcut bars --> menus --> menus + graphical buttons --> utter cr@p.
It's like the history of the Roman Empire: It got better and better and better until it was elephanted*.
* D'you see what I did, there?
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They improved it to death, I get it!
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Usually any "history of the GUI" includes how Steve Jobs stole his ideas from Xerox, but I see they've been omitted from yours. Anyway, I'll let you get on with your Microsoft bashing
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They're the company that "had nothing to do with microsoft, apple, google, ibm, or any of the other big names in computing".
I didn't think naming them was necessary, in these halls, especially because it would have meant having to name all the other innovators (which would have taken me whole minutes to look up).
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My first UI was in hardware: Hex keyboard and 7 segment LED displays. It still works as well as it ever did, probably because Mickeysoft never had anything to do with those old computers or any software that runs on them.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: 7 segment LED displays
You could always paint pastel-coloured rectangles around them!
Incidentally: WANT!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Incidentally: WANT!
Traditionally, there is only one way. Build one yourself.
The modernized version: COSMAC Elf 2000[^]
The original: [^]
Either way, I would replace the switches with a hex keyboard for practical reasons. Still, it's very much the Raspberry Pi of 1976
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: The original: [^]
Oh, that is a thing of beauty!
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Take a closer look at that PDF. All CMOS (before CMOS became the only way to go), the part about battery buffering your RAM, and the CDP1861 graphics chip in part IV.
By the way, mine is an Elf II like the one on page 2 of part IV.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Ha! Even the name "COSMOS RAM IC" is enough to get my mouth watering! I wanna play!
I recall (at least I think I do -- acronyms and numbers have been known to get mixed up in my head) that the CDP 1861 was quite a respected (and imitated) bit of hardware.
But this[^] is what you get id you search for "Elf II kit" on ebay
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COSMOS used to be the name RCA used for what is now known as CMOS. With the transistor densities on the chips back then, many still were sceptical about CMOS. The 'C' stands for complementary, meaning that the transistors always switch in pairs, effectively cutting the number of available transistors in half. On the other side, complementary transistors cut down the power usage to a tiny fraction. Those old computers, if you consequently used CMOS components and avoided relatively power hungry components like LEDs, could run on batteries for months.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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If it is bothering you so much.....
- Do not annoy us with that
- Get a life
- Do not annoy us with that
- Create apps for apple or something like that without ribbons
- Do not annoy us with that
- learn to understand what you work with
- Do not annoy us with that
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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- you are annoying us with another that
- get a life
- you are annoying us with another that
- keep creating apps for ribbons for all that we care
- you are annoying us with another that
- learn to understand that changin for the sake of change doesn't bode well. If someone inverted all the controls of your car for no reason, without warning and with oncoming obligations to change you probably won't be happy
- you are annoying us with another that
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Well slapped.
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Ah, but has it become worth less, or worthless?
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User rant:
- What's worst? Ignorance or Indifference?
M$ Answer:
I don't know and I don't give a sh..
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I gave you an upvote purely for the amount of time this took you to write; providing you did write it. 
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Slacker007 wrote: providing you did write it
Ha!
People tend to quote me, rather than the other way around.
Now that you've mentioned that, though, I might do a web search, in a week or so, for one or two specific phrases from it.
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In Office and in File Explorer, it works quite well.
Often, you select the desired tab for the task you are doing and all useful tools are one-click accessible. And if you need to change the tab, you have 2 clicks as with older menu system. And usually, you can collapse the ribbon if you don't use it much!
In File explorer, I really like that the show/hide extension is far more reachable than it used to be.
But it does not works well with programs that should be minimalist (a single toolbar would do) or program that are too complex like an IDE...
Philippe Mori
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In office, I used to have three toolbars: the basic toolbar, and two custom ones. Between them, they took up less than half the space of the ribbon -- and they always fit properly within the window.
With only three toolbars, almost every tool I ever used was opened/activated with only one click -- and I use a lot of tools, a number of which aren't even on the ribbon.
With the ribbon, I am continually changing tab (usually having to move the caret from one end of the screen to the other to open the tab, then back to the other end to click the tool), then changing back, then changing again, because I was so foolish as to put my cursor somewhere that ms has decided means that I have to use a different tab.
I only ever used the menu for "occasional" tools -- and it was easy to find them (even though they kept moving menu items with each new version).
I won't even bother going into how bloody insanely impossible it is to find all the dialogs and sub-windows that are absolutely essential, when setting up a project/template/whatever (if I didn't remember a lot of the keyboard shortcuts, it would drive me batty).
Or that the Most Used Visio tools -- the various alignment ones -- are no longer available as single buttons; you have to use a drop-down to get to them (but you're never on the tab where the drop-down is, obviously).
Just p1ssing about with the ribbon costs me a fortune in time when I should be being productive.
And that's not to mention that it breaks my train of thought, every time I have to hunt a function down, which costs a lot more than just a few clicks' worth of time.
Professional-level use of word-processors, spreadsheets, slideshow apps, and diagramming tools is every bit as complicated, if not more so, than professional use of an IDE.
I vote the ribbon be implemented for VS -- it's only used to edit a bunch of plain-text files, after all.
Then we'll see how many developers approve of it.
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