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Re: Office Ribbon is an good evolution

24-Oct-16 4:43

Slacker007 wrote:
providing you did write it

Ha!

People tend to quote me, rather than the other way around.

Now that you've mentioned that, though, I might do a web search, in a week or so, for one or two specific phrases from it.

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Philippe Mori24-Oct-16 7:32

Philippe Mori

24-Oct-16 7:32

In Office and in File Explorer, it works quite well.

Often, you select the desired tab for the task you are doing and all useful tools are one-click accessible. And if you need to change the tab, you have 2 clicks as with older menu system. And usually, you can collapse the ribbon if you don't use it much!

In File explorer, I really like that the show/hide extension is far more reachable than it used to be.

But it does not works well with programs that should be minimalist (a single toolbar would do) or program that are too complex like an IDE...

Philippe Mori

Re: Office Ribbon is an good evolution

Mark_Wallace24-Oct-16 8:05

Re: Evolution of the User interface

24-Oct-16 8:05

In office, I used to have three toolbars: the basic toolbar, and two custom ones. Between them, they took up less than half the space of the ribbon -- and they always fit properly within the window.

With only three toolbars, almost every tool I ever used was opened/activated with only one click -- and I use a lot of tools, a number of which aren't even on the ribbon.

With the ribbon, I am continually changing tab (usually having to move the caret from one end of the screen to the other to open the tab, then back to the other end to click the tool), then changing back, then changing again, because I was so foolish as to put my cursor somewhere that ms has decided means that I have to use a different tab.

I only ever used the menu for "occasional" tools -- and it was easy to find them (even though they kept moving menu items with each new version).

I won't even bother going into how bloody insanely impossible it is to find all the dialogs and sub-windows that are absolutely essential, when setting up a project/template/whatever (if I didn't remember a lot of the keyboard shortcuts, it would drive me batty).

Or that the Most Used Visio tools -- the various alignment ones -- are no longer available as single buttons; you have to use a drop-down to get to them (but you're never on the tab where the drop-down is, obviously).

Just p1ssing about with the ribbon costs me a fortune in time when I should be being productive.

And that's not to mention that it breaks my train of thought, every time I have to hunt a function down, which costs a lot more than just a few clicks' worth of time.

Professional-level use of word-processors, spreadsheets, slideshow apps, and diagramming tools is every bit as complicated, if not more so, than professional use of an IDE.

I vote the ribbon be implemented for VS -- it's only used to edit a bunch of plain-text files, after all.

Then we'll see how many developers approve of it.

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Brady Kelly24-Oct-16 20:34

Brady Kelly

24-Oct-16 20:34

I like a well done ribbon, but it must have a hide/collapse and reverse 'button'.

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Re: Evolution of the User interface

Mark_Wallace24-Oct-16 21:58

24-Oct-16 21:58

Brady Kelly wrote:
I like a well done ribbon,

... with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

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V.23-Oct-16 21:05

23-Oct-16 21:05

Movie Quote Of The Day

Quote:
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Which movie?

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Herman<T>.Instance23-Oct-16 21:08

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23-Oct-16 21:08

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Johnny J.23-Oct-16 21:13

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23-Oct-16 21:13

A Trump up the sleeve??? Confused | :confused:

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Mark_Wallace23-Oct-16 22:40

23-Oct-16 22:40

It's gotta be the Care Bears Movie.

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HobbyProggy23-Oct-16 22:49

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23-Oct-16 22:49

One war in Paris

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CDP180223-Oct-16 22:51

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23-Oct-16 22:51

Bitter reality, not a movie. That's the morning prayer of everyone who works at the place I used to.

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23-Oct-16 22:57

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Richard Deeming24-Oct-16 2:31

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24-Oct-16 2:31

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charlieg23-Oct-16 16:24

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23-Oct-16 16:24

I can write some elegant code (simple and it works). Other times, it be something to wash off your shoe. I have this vision of MS full of smart people, but I want the 2x4 to whack the Windows 7 and Windows 10 upgrade folks. I'll provide nails for the 2x4.

Daughter nukes her laptop ("os not found"), claims she did nothing. Hmm, right, okay no evidence, there there hug. Clearly there is an issue with her SSD.

Install Windows 7 with SP1, prepare for inevitable 24 hour "checking for updates" wait. And wait. Now, I know that there is probably some complicated "check for recursive upgrade links" going on, but wtf, I was taught this 36 years ago - simplify life. What prevents the Windows 7 SP1 to leave a marker file indicating ALL of the updates are needed? 48 hours and it comes back as "no updates found" <hysterical laugh="">.

Daughter wants Windows 10 - find a link for 7->10 upgrade still working... Laptop 36+ hours "download" or "getting ready" for a clean install.

Seems I won't starve as a developer any time soon. What a steaming pile of elephant dung.

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modified 24-Oct-16 6:49am.

DaveAuld23-Oct-16 17:45

DaveAuld

23-Oct-16 17:45

I suggest you get hold of Windows Media Creation Tool and build an installation usb. It saves hours of time. Simply plug it in and re-install off the usb boot.

I have used it twice to rebuild my daughters laptop.

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OriginalGriff23-Oct-16 20:18

OriginalGriff

23-Oct-16 20:18

Or better, do a disk image when it's installed and all apps configured, then you can just image restore and walk away.
Particularly with a kid's computer where you have no idea what they have done to the poor thing... Laugh | :laugh:

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Munchies_Matt24-Oct-16 1:29

Munchies_Matt

24-Oct-16 1:29

I use Macrium for that, its very good.

Nelek24-Oct-16 2:16

Nelek

24-Oct-16 2:16

OriginalGriff wrote:
Particularly with a kid's computer where you have no idea what they have done to the poor thing...

Or when MS comes with another "cool" Update

M.D.V.

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Mark_Wallace23-Oct-16 20:59

23-Oct-16 20:59

DaveAuld wrote:
I have used it twice to rebuild my daughters laptop.

You shouldn't have had to use it at all.

Even windows 3.11 gave better service than this.

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