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raddevus wrote: It's write once, run everywhere dream!
Everywhere? Only if you have Windows 10!!!
(If you can go with browser based UI try .NET Core - it is a true COMPILE once run everywhere - including Linux)
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Everywhere? Only if you have Windows 10!!!
I know. Everywhere is becoming much smaller as the Windows UNIVERSE dwindles. 
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If you drink the Microsoft Kool-Aid, "everywhere" also includes the Xbox (which might not make much sense depending on the app), IoT (same applies), Windows Phone (which very few people have) and HoloLens (which nobody has).
I might've been excited about this 5 years ago. Today this seems too little, too late.
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dandy72 wrote: I might've been excited about this 5 years ago. Today this seems too little, too late.
That's a good summary of how 98% of the devs feel, I think.
And. you're right about xbox and all that too. I was kind of happy to know that, because my app could even have interest on that platform.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: If you can go with browser based UI try .NET Core - it is a true COMPILE once run everywhere - including Linux
very useful. 
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Yeah, write once run anywhere except where "anywhere" ain't Windows 10. Winforms is much closer to WORA than that!
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ClockMeister wrote: Winforms is much closer to WORA than that!
It does seem to be the case. And it's unfortunate because there are a lot of crusty old controls in the WinForms realm. Many of them are dated back to Win95, few of them ever really got updated.
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raddevus wrote: It does seem to be the case. And it's unfortunate because there are a lot of crusty old controls in the WinForms realm. Many of them are dated back to Win95, few of them ever really got updated.
You know, that might be true, however give the following a little bit of thought: What difference does it make if they are "old and crusty" as you put it? Do the controls do the job they were intended to? I.E. do they still work?
In many scenarios, the "latest and greatest" technology is really nothing more than "lipstick on a pig", in my opinion, so that someone can sell another version of an item that already does the job. I have a suite of software development tools (VS2008, etc.) that I invested several thousand bucks in. Some "propeller head" developers (who wouldn't think of paying for their own tools, BTW) would consider these tools "obsolete" or "old hat". OK, fine. I can still write very relevant applications with what have turned out to be very stable tools and they run on every O/S Microsoft has produced from Windows XP forward, including every server version they make right on up to Windows 10. If that ain't "write once, run anywhere" it's awful bloody close! 
-ClockMeister
modified 10-Sep-16 17:48pm.
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raddevus wrote: I had to update to the very latest VSTudio Community 2015 SP3 to begin dev. Then I was required to update my Win10 to (the very newest of new win10 update -- Win10 Anniversary)
very useful.
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There's a ways to go yet. There are some nice features, but there are some compromises that are hard for me, as a WPF lover, to get my head around.
This space for rent
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I have the start of a blog post about writing UWA apps
Let me know when you've written it up. I'd be interested in reading.
I just posted a short blog write up at: How Universal Will Win10 UWA/UWP Be If There Is No Windows Universe?[^]
But, it's more of a look at the difficulties that I mentioned before. And, a thought about "what if Microsoft loses devs? "
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raddevus wrote: And, a thought about "what if Microsoft loses devs? "
If? I'd say more that they are.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: If? I'd say more that they are.
I know. I've been a windows dev since 3.1 so it's a bit difficult for me. However, I try everything so if they do the wrong thing and lose then ce la vie. 
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: I have the start of a blog post about writing UWA apps
Link? (And don't say the CP blog - I looked there, CP needs to learn how to display a blog.)
Marc
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Still writing it. There's a lot to cover, even in a bare bones UWA application. There's a lot of code in it that needs explaining.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: even in a bare bones UWA application. There's a lot of code in it that needs explaining.
That's a good summary of the situation.
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Why bother in 6 month's it will be abandoned or obsolete or both.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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Mike Hankey wrote: Why bother in 6 month's it will be abandoned or obsolete or both.
...to be replaced by what, exactly?
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just wondering what Microsoft can turn to once it becomes clear it's not taking off.
(Part of me says bring back Winforms)
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Xamarin. They already have a full stack in VS. Deploys to Android and iOS (mostly). Why not make it so it can deploy universally.
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Comparing UWP and Xamarin...I suspect that Xamarin only represents a small subset of what can be done with UWP (notwithstanding being cross-platform).
Mind you, it'd be great if Xamarin became a superset/cross-platform version of UWP. But I don't see that happening.
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Mike Hankey wrote: Why bother in 6 month's it will be abandoned or obsolete or both.
I know. I think you are right.
If you go to twitter you'll see no one is talking about UWA UWP and you can't find many StackOverflow items. People (devs) just aren't really talking about it or doing Universal App dev.
This was Microsoft's last flail, I think. Will be down for the count soon. Of course, they'll still rake in $billions$. 
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I am a uwp dev. If you've done windows 8.1 apps or wpf it might be easier. Definitely if you've done windows 8.1 apps. I prefer desktop apps as the full dot net framework has more support. Performing rest http requests are very similar on uwp but you need to have that stream referenced correctly or you could have memory leaks? Maybe the Microsoft guys on their support forum are confusing me a little.
jeffery
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Good info and interesting to find someone out there actually doing UWP.
You may be the lone pioneer out at the edge of the wilderness though.
Thanks for chiming in.
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It's not too bad. They need it to support XML serialization though so projects can be ported instead of the change data contract type stuff. I was trying to port the eBay source code over to uwp but the XML serialization stuff drives me crazy. If you need help I will try and give it. File system and all that is pretty much the same as windows 8.1 with a few changes that's why a simple app or one with rest API code might be possible but its a little hard because serialization is messed up if you need XML.
jeffery
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raddevus wrote: This would be a good CP poll.
Yes! As a desktop WPF/C# developer (for industrial automation) with absolutely zero interest in apps that could run on the XBox, I would like to see how much actual UWA interest is out there. Am I developing "legacy" applications or am I still one of the cool kids?
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