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OriginalGriff wrote: The side effects of Ice, Heroin, Ecstasy, and Cocaine are all well known - and nastier in the short term as well as pretty lethal in the long term - but that doesn't stop people from using it.
But, and I could be wrong again, I would have to believe that people addicted to those are certainly regretting the first time they ever took them.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I doubt it: I can only speak for my own experiences, and certainly I never regretted taking coke. (Except possibly at one company christmas lunch, but that's a long story)
When you take it, it's an upper, it's a rush. And you want that again. I understand from friends that ice, smack, and E are much the same.
I guess it's like learning VB. Do you regret it while you're learning, or while you're using it? Or only when you find out it's for children and "real coders" use C# or C++?*
* Exaggerated for effect, honest.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Some of these become compulsory because withdrawal is wrecking and painful for long periods of time.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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So is giving up smoking, and coffee!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Precisely!
But not near as hard.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Yes, my dad stopped smoking 20 years ago and suffered 6 months of ravaging cough and mind numbing, then nothing more.
Heroine addicts on the other hands pass 6-8 months with increasingly more painful total body seizures and cramps, excruciating migraines and inner organ failures. Many of them stop pretty soon taking the drug for recreation and start doing it for bare survival - and that's why they can be pretty dangerous. Deperation fuels a lot of anger and aggressivity.
Ecstasy kills the brain but I don't know about withdraval symptoms other than deep depression, usually the consumers die from OD or badly mixed doses or lethal mixes, due to the perceived levity of the drug.
Cocaine is terribly addicting but offers low withdraval, almost like coffee. A friend of mine stated, exact words "I wasn't feeling bad, I could avoid taking it for an entire month and not miss it. But whenever I held 50€ in hands cocaine was my first thougt. I stopped only by self restricting myself at home for a whole year".
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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While I was smoking I loved it, no regrets. It's been just about 20 years (in November)since I quit, due to a non-smoking related illness. I have no regrets about quitting either, in fact it saves me about $8000 a year .
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jeron1 wrote: While I was smoking I loved it, no regrets.
I find that very interesting and fascinating. My assumption about smokers seems to be wrong, at least with this very limited dataset.
Thank you for the feedback.
jeron1 wrote: $8000 a year .
 Is that just the cost of cigarettes or are you estimating other health costs (doctor visits, etc)?
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That's just the cost of cigarettes, around here they are ~$12 a pack, smoking slightly less than 2 packs a day. Yeah, it's crazy expensive.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Wow. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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More than half of it, as you may have guessed is taxes. The state and local govt's (Chicago) uses it as a cash cow under the pretense of that money paying for healthcare costs incurred by smokers, which is BS IMHO.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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When dad was dying of cancer (not smoking related) with one to seven months to live, they kept telling him to quit smoking. He did not quit and enjoyed smoking until the end.
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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Corporal Agarn wrote: enjoyed smoking until the end.
Sounds like something I would do. Kudos to him. 
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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jeron1 wrote: Sounds like something I would do
Someone says "life is short and we'll make it shorter" 
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...or do what you enjoy with the time you have left.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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My dad smoked for many years but he quit when us kids came along. He hasn't smoked since but he often quips that if he is ever diagnosed with a terminal illness he is going to start back up. It has become my opinion that smokers never really quit smoking, they just stop smoking.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Foothill wrote: smokers never really quit smoking, they just stop smoking.
Nicely put.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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I don't smoke cigarettes, but I do smoke a pipe. Funny thing is that I end up attracting attention rather than repelling it, because the tobacco I smoke smells like cookies or brownies baking.
I don't regret it; I rather enjoy it. I don't plan on quitting either, mainly due to the fact it's something I do enjoy and I refuse to allow society to dictate what I can and can not do as long as I'm not hurting anyone else. I don't smoke around others unless they are smokers themselves.
I'm all about freedom of choice. Live and let live. If I want to smoke, it's my business as long as I don't invade others' space with it.
I realize that it is bad for your health, but the way I see it, I have as good a chance of getting cancer from the preservatives in the food, fluoridation in the tap water, or the pesticides in the water, ground and air. I've had family members die of cancer that have never smoked, drank alcohol, and kept a healthy life style.
Should I break into song? "And I did it my waaaaaaaayyyyyyy....." 
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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When I was a smoker I certainly didn't regret starting, I enjoyed smoking, I was thoroughly addicted. I do regret giving them up, I may be healthier and I don't stink of smoke anymore but I'm not happier.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I gave up over 20 years ago - have not missed it at all but I don't recall regretting being a smoker when I was one.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: I don't recall regretting being a smoker when I was one.
I find that very weird and fascinating. However, I was clearly wrong about smokers. Thank you for the feedback.
I'm glad I asked. It doesn't change anything but I have learned something.
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George Burns was a cigar guy.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: George Burns was a cigar guy.
I know. I was grouping cigars, cigarettes, and all other related tobacco products.
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So was Bill Clinton, what?....wait...this isn't the Soapbox? nevermind.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Different answer... I am the youngest of 4 boys, everyone smoked except me!
I hated the second hand smoke.
When I was 13, my 18 y/o brother grabs me and says "You don't smoke now. I am going
into the Navy. If you are smoking when I get out. I will KILL YOU! Don't be stupid,
you have a future!" (then he threw me back into the wall, and left)
Probably the sweetest thing he ever said to me! 
So, I have never smoked. I puffed a couple of times, inhaled ONCE and turned green.
But I used his threat to ward off offers. Pretty soon EVERYONE knew not to offer it to me.
Fast Forward. My other brother died of cancer a few years ago. My mom, a heavy smoker, died last year yesterday, and my father has cancer in his lungs and will probably die of it in the next 18-24 months. (he gave up smoking 10 years ago, but the damage was done over 50 years of smoking)
My other brother gave it up when he had kids, and is thankful he did.
My oldest brother still smokes. He lives at home with dad still, and can't afford much.
He wishes someone warned him to not start! Oh, he doesn't want to give it up because he is
afraid he will get fat like the rest of us.
I realize that a full 4 of 6 of us will die from cancer (almost double the 30% average).
I find it a stinky habit. My brothers say I am WORSE than an ex-smoker. LOL.
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