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MarkTJohnson wrote: I agree the increase is egregious but part of that increase (not all but still a non-trivial amount) is the cost of meeting FDA and FTC reporting requirements and stuff like that
Hmm. Yeah, seems I failed to consider that part. You've a fair point.
I'm just another one of those guys on the outside looking in, seeing a problem, but not seeing all the facets. Makes you wonder if reducing FDA and FTC involvement would help more or less than what I originally proposed... Something needs to be done, but it's admittedly above my pay-grade to come up with the best solution. I can spit-ball with the best of them though!
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Almost fell out of my chair, a reasoned rationale response.
Thank you.
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Over here a quick googling gives me $88 for a two pack.
I'll never stop wondering why you want to keep your corrupt health care system.
You'd better answer that in the soapbox though. 
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I don't need the soapbox to answer that one. It's three things: greed, fear, and congress.
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USD 300 for 2 in Canada. Your additional insurance plan may cover up to 80% of this cost.
/ravi
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Forgive my ignorance but I figured EpiPens would be covered by Canada's universal healthcare.
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It may be. My reply was based on the price I found at a Canadian distributor on the web.
/ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: It may be.
It would be if prescribed by a Dr., minus of course the fees the pharmacy charge for dispensing a boxed product. I have a few friends that have them for their kids for peanuts, seafood, bees, etc.
Ken
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Apparently €160 for two. That's before you claim it back from your health insurance.
That still seems a little steep, but I don't know how they make these things.
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What's sad is that epinephrine itself is not expensive at all. It's the patent on the epipen design that drives up the cost. No other vendor can legally duplicate it.
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Which is the problem with most medications; since one as a patient has no alternative, one is forced to pay, even if those amounts are rediculous.
It is a section that could do well without patents.
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Cost of getting someone to look down at you wearing a hockey mask and theatrically brandishing a chainsaw: $0
In fact, that sounds like so much fun that I'd probably pay you a buck or two to let me do it (+ air fare + hotel costs).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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They would first thank you then hand you their dry cleaning bill because they ruined their underwear.
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Effectively no cost in Australia. As Pete said, that's what we pay taxes for.
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Depends what you call no-cost. Your post is misleading. The current over the counter price in Australia is about $120 per pen. As it is included in the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme[^] the cost to an Australian resident is $38.30 or $6.20 if you are entitled to a health care card PBS Epipen[^]. The PBS costs taxpayers $10 billion per year in total. Now that isn't all. To get a PBS entitlement a prescription is required which entails a visit to the doctor. This will cost nothing for a pensioner but about $70-$37 = $33 for the average person (Medicare rebate). This means the cost of the Epipen is $38.30 + $33 = $71.30 for the normal taxpayer. The pen lasts for a year as does a prescription so this will require an annual renewal even if the pen is unused.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
modified 24-Aug-16 20:57pm.
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Wow, I stand corrected. I was told recently that most life-saving drugs are to be given at no cost, but it appears that it's applicable only if it were administered in a public hospital while an eligible (medicare) patient is admitted.
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Indeed, most patients (who are covered by Medicare only) admitted to a public hospital do not pay anything for their entire stay. In fact they are not even allowed to bring their own medications or self administer while in hospital. It is all provided by the public health system.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I also heard today on the news that it only costs approx. $1 US, to produce the chemical in the pen, which adds to the controversy.
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I don't think there is any relationship between the cost of manufacture and the retail price of drugs, seems to be whatever they can get away with. There is an astonishingly large variation between countries for some drugs.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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In Hobbitland, NZ$120 per pen. But if it's used by a patient as treatment for an anaphylactic reaction caused by an injury covered by ACC (our taxpayer funded universal accident insurance scheme) they'll cover the cost.
And if you have private health cover your provider may reimburse the cost.
So varies from sort-of-free to not-free-at-all...
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I wonder why it is so cheap?
Since drug company in the US can charge whatever price they want and some have no competition and the US health department is forbidden by law to bargain...
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Because Ill people must be able to buy them ! If they are not able to, they'll die and you lose customers.
Ill people with long-term diseases who are able to pay for their drugs are cash cows.
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true that! 
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The price after National Insurance's subvention seems to be ~55 USD in Hungary, this is the price I should pay to buy it. Possibly some people can get it for free.
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